Eshoo: Immigrant detention centers 'a stain on America'

Stealing the children of asylum seekers and putting them in prison camps will surely be marked by future generations as one of the most shameful chapters in the history of our country.

If there was a wall, we wouldn't need detention centers.

Mark: "If there was a wall" There IS a wall. Walls just don't work. Here's a visually stunning photo of our wall (sorry Mark, does not show the tunnels built under it.) Web Link

Mark, as soon as Mexico sends the check to pay for it, I'm all in for a newer wall. It would be a great make-work project for labor that would drive up costs of materials and wages for other projects, as well . All on Mexico's dime. Yippee! Otherwise useless, other than as a campaign prop for low IQ voters. We have better things to spend $25-50 billion on - roads, healthcare, Space Force heroes, etc..

Really though, what wall has ever really worked? The Great Wall? The Berlin Wall? Hadrian Wall?

The Kremlin wall?

The walls in Belfast erected during The Troubles?

Arguable, the Warsaw Ghetto Wall served it's evil purpose. But even it was torn down by the Germans themselves.


(Godwin wins again.) Web Link

These comments are my own opinion and views:

Immigration detention Centers serve a purpose in protecting our Great County, By holding ILLEGAL IMMIGRATES who into our County ILLEGALLY!!!! So they can be processed, checked and brought before a Immigration Court. For a Judge to decide their out come.
I will say this, I do not believe child or young teenagers should be separated from their parents.
However accounting to a report over 95% have no documentation to provide who they are! So if the authorities left children with ILLEGAL immigrants who say they are the parents and something happens to the child or the children are assaulted etc its the authorities who will be sued. Therefore there needs to be checks done to make sure these value children are protected at all times.
second point is when you fly out of the County or to another State you go though checks at the airport, first passport checks which they check background etc, there a bag and body search before even getting on a airplane. Yet illegal immigrants who cross the border have no checks and the ones released to come back to ICE never show up according to several reports.

I'm an immigrant myself I had to wait several years in line to get my green card, I had to have a medical check, background check, credit check, have no criminal records or criminal activity, be of good character and follow the law of the land. I had to provide I can support my family without any Government support or funding. I was interview 3-5 times before I was given and accepted for my green card even though my wife is American and so are my daughters, they were living in the US while I had to wait outside the US for my application to be approved.

So tell me why these illegal immigrants are allowed to stay in the county and I have to wait outside? why are they allowed to jump the line when 1000's have been waiting and following the law for many many years before they are allowed in the US? How are they going to support their family with no job? or money? (oh yes you the good old American tax payer). lets not also forget I had to paid for my application, green card, medical check, background and others for my application to be accepted.(People who cross illegal do not!)

If we have no borders we have no County, if we get to pick and choose which laws to follow and when - we have no control or safety or protection.

The previous post frames the whole rant based on a lie: "By holding ILLEGAL IMMIGRATES who into our County ILLEGALLY"

For example: someone who presents themselves at a port of entry seeking asylum is not an illegal IMMIGRATES.

And to rip their children from them, putting the children into internment camps? No amount of absurd re-framing will change the subject of this topic: Immigrant detention centers 'a stain on America'

@November's Clorox
If one presents one's self to the appropriate authorities at a border facility and asks for asylum, the "family" is not "torn apart." However, if one enters the country illegally (meaning, breaks a law), then, like any normal American who breaks a law, they will be separated from their children as they await the legal process to unfold. This happens all the time, everywhere across America. Citizens who break laws get separated from their children. What makes illegal immigrants (who break laws) subject to better treatment than a citizen? Peter's arguments are excellent. If you want to come into the US, take a number, wait in line and go through legal due process. Otherwise, if you enter illegally, you are subject to detention and deportment. Very straightforward.

Inon lies about actual facts, starting with her first sentence: "If one presents one's self to the appropriate authorities at a border facility and asks for asylum, the "family" is not "torn apart."

Wrong. Please consider more varied news sources. Listening to fringe 'news' outlets or the present administration will not give a full picture. Example: DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen lied on June 17 via Twitter: “For those seeking asylum at ports of entry, we have continued the policy from previous administrations and will only separate if the child is in danger, there is no custodial relationship between 'family' members, or if the adult has broken a law.”

Demonstrably false.

Also, here are two examples of an asylum seekers losing their children. Both are ongoing lawsuits, so they are easy to look up. From the ACLU:

- Ms. L, a Congolese mother who sought asylum at a port of entry, had her seven-year-old daughter taken away from her for four months. Immigration authorities made no meaningful attempt to verify their relationship during that time, only doing so after we filed our lawsuit.

- Mirian G, a mother from Honduras, came to the U.S. with her young son on Feb. 20, 2018. She presented herself to immigration authorities and sought asylum, committing no crime. During her interview, Mirian provided immigration officers with several identification documents for her child which listed her as his mother. The next morning, Border Patrol agents took away her 18-month-old son with no explanation. She did not see him again for two months.

I find it fascinating to hear what sound like otherwise rational people trying to defend the indefensible.

Defending the detention of children in internment camps, with miscast frames filled with lies? A four year old ripped from her mother for 4 months! Indefensible.

Indeed, quite the stain on our great country.


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Fact-Checking Family Separation
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* a SEVEN year old girl ripped from her mother for 4 months.

Excuse the typo.

Looks like maybe (until verified in court of law---just because the ACLU says something does not mean it is so----you might want to use less biased sources)there are two cases out of the hundreds of thousands of legal asylum seekers where kids were separated (like I said, maybe). The point remains that separating kids of lawbreakers from parents is standard practice in American legal system.

Inon - you said they were NOT torn apart.

What up?

Were they or not?

re the ACLU - trust them more than an anonymous poster who won't link to prove claims that don't pan out.

Families torn apart.

Mardy:
Looks like 2 out of several hundred thousand were separated. Why? Maybe there was a good reason, but appealing to the ACLU website for an unbiased response is ridiculous. The point remains that criminals (read "illegal immigrants) being separated from their children is nothing that normal American citizens experience when they break the law and are incarcerated.

And, as a response to "Families torn apart": one could argue that the actions of the parents who send their kids here accompanied only by a "coyote" are tearing their own families apart, and that parents who subject their families to a terrible illegal border crossing, through their illegal actions, are also tearing their own families apart.

Mardy and November's Clorox:

Maybe a question to ask you is why do you want the border and our country flooded with illegal immigrants? There are likely tens of millions of people, if given the chance, who would come to the US. From Mexico, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Venezuela, countless countries in Africa and the Mid-East, parts of Asia. Do you think that our borders should be open to them all? Yes or No? If yes, then what are the criteria for letting them in and who pays for them when they come? Do you believe that our country should have secure borders and that we should be selective about who we allow to enter?

Still choosing to die on the hill of: "families are not being torn apart". Despite all you read and see from varied sources, court filings and even Trump's own hasty backpedaling with an executive order (though incompetently incomplete and poorly drafted, ie. "Trumpian".)

Got it.

The only folks that want your so-called tens million immigrants (that I can tell) are the corporations that fund both parties, in order to drive down wages. That's why the GOP run House has never passed an immigration bill that would work.

Back to the topic: why do you support the moral abomination of tearing families apart?

"... one could argue that the actions of the parents who send their kids here accompanied only by a "coyote" are tearing their own families apart ..."

Yes, one could argue that. Some in fact do. But can one argue that a government should scatter families to hold the children hostage until the parents agree to be deported? Well, I can see how some deplorables would, and in fact do. Many of these infest the new swamp now fouling our nation's capital.

The major crime these "illegals" are committing is called Immigrating While Brown." Would our law'n order types be so lathered up if Norwegians were slipping in? I think not.

The Great Trump Swamp exercises a strong influence on the deplorable class, exploiting its primal bigotry to distract while cleaning out what little remains in its pockets. All in plain sight.

The apparent lack of compassion in our own community is frightening.

Inon makes a great deal of sense. Can't wait for the huge blue tidal wave to appear. It will be more like the out of touch Socialist Democrats singing the blues and I want to thank Maxine Waters for her efforts which are really helping the GOP. Go Maxine, Go!

My, my, my, "Observer" -- grasping at straws, are we now?

Then again, when you support a president who is more chummy with Vladimir Putin than with our NATO allies, your sense of reasonable and unreasonable gets massively out of whack...

Dear Same old Liberal Nonsense,

You never make peace by talking with your friends. You make peace by talking with your enemies. This is why the Democratic Party is failing. They are stuck in their same old myopic thinking.

"Observer" -- "You never make peace by talking with your friends. You make peace by talking with your enemies."

Correct. But what -45 is doing is most certainly *not* talking; the proper term is "groveling." For all intents and purposes, -45 has become Putin's lapdog, to the point where he still insists on denying that the Russians interfered in the 2016 elections (a point acknowledged by every other U.S. governmental official).

But when you're a charter member of Cult -45, facts don't matter.

The only groveling that will be done will be by the Democratic Party on November 7 when they realize hat their socialist rhetoric combined with their great platform of scintillating ideas such as 1) We want to raise your taxes, We want to go soft on crime, and we hate Trump. What a bunch of losers.

That the best you can do, "Observer"? Or should that be Sergei Sergevich?

Either way, apologizing for -45 must mean ignoring the facts, and throwing garbage around, hoping some of it sticks...

So 44 nearly wrecked the country and 45 is reviving it and you want an apology? You should talk to the DNC Leadership. They have plenty to apologize for and will have some more to apologize for come November 7.

I waited for seven years and came in through the legal system. First a work permit and then a green card and now I’m waiting for my citizenship. You people are shocking the way you approve of illegal people coming into this beautiful country. Peter and mark L are spot on. These people are illegal and they should not be even be allowed to step foot on American soil. Go the legal route stand in line and wait your turn and not just barge in and produce a baby for what they call anchor baby. In my country if you come in and get caught by the officials they put you immediately in prison and less you can pay your way out. America is a fabulous country and I have great respect for the legal immigrants here but I have zero respect for people who try to steal their immigration by sneaking over the border. God bless America.

"Go the legal route" - The legal route for asylum seekers IS to present oneself at the point of entry/border.

That's where they had their kids ripped away from them and pout into interment camps.

That's why the thread topic is: "Immigrant detention centers 'a stain on America'"