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Consultants say Menlo Park school's playing field is safe; parents disagree
Original post made on Nov 17, 2017
Read the full story here Web Link posted Friday, November 17, 2017, 10:15 AM
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a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Nov 17, 2017 at 12:10 pm
When assessing risk, there is a reflexive response by some to zero in on risk events which have the potential to cause serious harm even if that risk event is exceptionally unlikely to occur. And it is okay to want to mitigate these risks. That is not necessarily a bad thing. As parents, our hardwired protection mechanisms compel us to act. However, we need to be practical and -- the hard part, objective -- in our response to risk events, and consider both the severity of the potential harm in relation to the probability.
From the perspective of exposure, from a toxicology perspective, there is no cause for concern. If you still feel compelled to reduce harm, then don't focus on your kids, focus on the people who manufacture the artificial field materials. People at the factory who handle it, touch it, breath it, when all of the volatile gases are off-gassing at peak-rates. Worry about the people who ship it, who install it, who are on their hands and knees cutting in and working with it while it is still new. Worry about the workers standing next to the machine that is pulverizing old tires to form the rubber filler material, all-day, every day. The relative exposures for these workers are millions of times higher that what kids playing on the field will experience. The fact that there is no health/cancer crisis for these manufactures/installers should give you peace of mind. If you are still concerned, good news, you're in luck. There are many things you can do at home, both quick, easy, and cheap, to lower your child's overall cancer risk by similar amount to the case where they never stepped foot on that field again -- like skipping that trip to Hawaii to avoid the extra exposure to background radiation during flight. Or, to avoid exposure to background chemicals, never let your child ride in a new car, spend time in a newly build house, sit on a new couch, sleep on a new mattress, sit near a campfire, or spend time in a newly painted room. All of these events pose, more-or-less, the same risk-weighted threat to their health than this issue at Hillview.
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Nov 17, 2017 at 1:34 pm
Let's test the field when it's 95 degrees out and the fumes can be seen coming up from the field made of tires! Our kids are panting out there breathing it all in, too - as we all are on the sidelines....it cannot be healthy....no way. Sad, because Hillview's field is beautiful and a part of a great school and the kids are so lucky to have space like that, but if it's a health risk, something has to be done.
a resident of Menlo Park: Allied Arts/Stanford Park
on Nov 17, 2017 at 1:38 pm
There is a strong case for erring on the side of caution with this. The main source of concern is the abnormally high incidence of cancer among goal keepers (who are more likely to get their faces in the ground) playing on artificial turf. From Oxford University Press:
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Science takes a long time to adjudicate questions like this. Think of DDT, asbestos, even smoking. A determination that the field is "safe" just means scientific studies have not yet demonstrated that they are dangerous. Science takes many years answer questions like this: think of grant writing, designing appropriate studies, peer review, conflicting studies, and the emergence of an academic consensus. Even if the soccer fields are carcinogenic, we won't know definitively for perhaps a decade.
In the meantime, we are asking our children to roll around daily on recycled tire fragments that contain numerous toxic substances. If/when science ultimately demonstrates that these fields are carcinogenic, a few hundred thousand dollars in replacement costs will seem trivial compared to the personal and healthcare costs.
a resident of another community
on Nov 17, 2017 at 1:45 pm
Recommendations for individuals from the new EHHI Report, Synthetic Turf: Industry’s Claims Versus the Science (Web Link –
Individuals should work with their school PTAs and school boards to educate schools about the dangers of synthetic turf fields with crumb rubber. Parents should do more to support and recommend the installation of natural grass fields.
If a school, nursery school, or town has a playground with rubber tire mulch as its surfacing material, keep your young child off that playground.
Encourage the school to remove the rubber mulch and replace it with sand or wood chips.
Do not use a synthetic turf field in the heat because it gets too hot to be safe to use. In addition, the heat causes the toxins in the fields to outgas at a greater rate, which increases chemical exposures.
If your school already has a synthetic turf field with crumb rubber installed, you should insist that the school place recommendations for using the field where they can be easily seen by those who play on the fields. The following recom mendations should be posted:
Shower after using the field. If you cannot shower, wash your hands, face, and any open skin areas.
Wash your clothes, making sure there are no crumb rubber particles in your socks, pants, or other articles of clothing.
Be careful not to bring crumb rubber particles into the school building.
Always wear shoes on artificial turf.
Clean any cuts or abrasions immediately.
Brush your hair thoroughly after play.
a resident of Menlo Park: Linfield Oaks
on Nov 17, 2017 at 1:51 pm
This is utterly absurd. These people need to find something productive to do with their time.
Watch the District end up wasting a ton of money replacing the field unnecessarily, and then come crying to taxpayers for yet another bond measure to cover a deficit. They should be mindful that the plea could be met by a much less willing community, given that the federal deduction may soon disappear.
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Nov 17, 2017 at 2:08 pm
Artificial turf fields have a life expectancy of about 10 years before they need to be replaced. There are organic materials (cork and/or the ground shell of the coconut) that can be used in lieu of ground rubber infills.
Might I suggest that given the initial high cost of installation of the field that we plan now for its replacement and use of safer materials for the next iteration of the field?
The current risk is extremely low. When coupled with the post-field use precautions mentioned by Ms. Taylor, this is a reasonable approach until the end-of-life for the field.
Steve Taffee
WIllows
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Nov 17, 2017 at 2:58 pm
@ but when it's HOT?,
Multiple separate gas sampling studies have been performed from different fields. The consensus finding is that if off-gases are present, they are below detectable limits. Modern gas analyzers are exceptionally sensitive with detection limits many orders of magnitude greater than what is required to measure gases with concentrations high enough to be detectable by eye. The visualized fumes are not coming from the rubber filler material or the field. A 95 F day will not materially effect this.
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Nov 17, 2017 at 10:56 pm
No Way! I'm going to pick up my participation ribbons and move on. Certainly not going to play outside on a field like, only natural organic grass for me!! , timmy
a resident of Woodside: Kings Mountain/Skyline
on Nov 18, 2017 at 7:09 am
An organic soccer field! Wow this one’s a doozy — Even for the overprotective shelter parents of the South Bay.
While we’re at it, let’s also push for “natural nylon” uniforms, maybe Lulu Lemon can do the custom tailoring. Substandard synthetic materials can have devastating effects on kids, such as increased sweating during physical activity.
And of course the soccer balls are very dangerous especially when kicked. Let’s use organic recycled sponges instead, but only ones that were used to clean composted materials.
Meanwhile our kids need more books and better teachers....
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Nov 18, 2017 at 9:27 am
We pushed the community at the time this field was installed to use grass. It is cheaper and better especially since we live in an area that does not suffer from extreme weather issues. This turf field is ridiculously expensive and will become another large contribution to landfill in a short time. Why we choose to leave perfectly good natural options for expensive toxic options remains a mystery to me.
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Nov 18, 2017 at 9:50 am
Turf crumb rubber is black and absorbs heat; the temperature above the field can be 30 F higher than a grass field. I played on the Palo Alto Mayfield turf field for many years, including many mid-day games. My experience is that on hot days there was a strong odor from the turf.
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a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Nov 18, 2017 at 7:04 pm
First everybody (including the parents) all wanted to have that Man-Made "ARTIFICIAL" turf, well knowing that it was made of "recycled materials".
And now suddenly they claim ignorance over what that term actually implies?
As soon as they have replaced that 1 Million Dollar expensive field (payed for by taxpayers who had no say and do not even get to use it) with natural turf, there will be lawsuits as children roll an ankle on the naturally uneven field..... and then we go round again!?
Mentality of people who need to remodel their home every 5 years and have no problem suing their neighbors over window dressings.
Lovely!
a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Nov 18, 2017 at 7:14 pm
Peter Carpenter is a registered user.
For those interested in facts:
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a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Nov 18, 2017 at 8:54 pm
Menlo Voter. is a registered user.
Peter:
None of these people are interested in facts. They're interested in what they believe are "facts".
Bottom line; they want to believe what they think. Facts be damned.
a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Nov 18, 2017 at 9:08 pm
Peter Carpenter is a registered user.
"In this investigation, we found no evidence that playing matches or training on AT raises the risk of soccer players sustaining injury. In fact, the evidence suggests that the risk of some injuries and some subgroups might be lowered. However, until more is known about how issues such as altered playing styles affect injury incidence, it is difficult to make firm conclusions regarding the direct and indirect roles of AT in player safety."
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a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Nov 19, 2017 at 3:53 pm
Same people whining about the poisonous fields are most likely the same people that are ok with the expansion and growth of business and traffic in MP.
Same people that think it's too dangerous for the kids to play on a muddy field cause they'll slip- or they'll muddy up moms new Lexus.
Study says it's safe-- what are you going to do?? Let's go fight chemtrails, men in black, big foot and find the magic JFK bullet.
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