The "party of Lincoln" died when Richard Nixon and other Republican leaders adapted the "Southern Strategy" (look it up) in response to the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act in the 1960s.

I have yet to talk with a single person who can defend Trump.

SSSIZE, bay area, of course.

I don't understand it.

Trump is attacking Bill Clinton (btw: ironically the only "small government" president in my lifetime - he cut every aspect of the feds and balanced a budget) about an affair.

Trump?

The Marla Maples guy, who had every affair of his broadcast through the papers, and has three divorces.

It's clearly: Upside-Down Day.

Where are my fellow Republicans?

With the other gem of the party Sarah Palin aligning w/ Trump, I would LOVE to see them spin off their group into a 3rd party. They could call it the "Catch phrase" party, or whatever they want, the KKK can support them and Republicans in good standing could breathe a sigh of relief that the Trumps and Palins of the GOP are no longer on their team

Sarah Palin was all over the news talk shows this past weekend. Is she running for Vice President again? Seems like none of the mainstream Republican leaders are interested in working with Trump.

All these weakling libs who don't want to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!!

And you moderate wimpy so-called conservatives can go start your own rino party


Trump will do to us what he did to his bisinesses

"Trump will do to us what he did to his bisinesses"

Drive it into bankruptcy, and then try to pay off the debt at pennies to the dollar?

Discount our debt - GREAT IDEA.

Make America great again

"Discount our debt - GREAT IDEA."

Ah, ignorance about economics -- don't you just *love* how the Trumptrolls can't get it right even once?

I'm another Republican who is embarrassed. I will not vote for Trump. Hillary, if I have to. A 3rd party if I can.

Don't know if I will ever be able to come back.

Gonna high five the pointy robed crowd when Trump insults someone else?

The trumpet blowers are simply unthinking parrots. Their level of understanding is so low they cannot comprehend sentences with more than about 4 or 5 words.
They are the same people who think all they have to do is use the word libtard and they've made some kind of point. They have nothing to offer either party and we need to get them into their own corner so they can poke each other in the eyes and leave the rest of us about of it.

Great points ... I think it is more time to eject the creepy nuts from any party.
The militant Libertarian pawns of the Koch brothers, and the Nazi/KKK wing
of the Republican party, and the Doctor murdering group of anti-abortion nuts
should have been disavowed and kicked out many years ago ... at the very
least mentioned in the media as a problem .... never done.

The was purposeful on the part of Republicans.

But even past all those mentioned above there are still the puppet masters
who pull the strings, and they are not all Republicans anymore either. The
ones who have programmed this whole cynicism about government by getting
people to believe the answer to everything is selfish tax cuts ... THAT THEY DO
NOT REALLY EVEN BENEFIT FROM!

By cutting the tax rate and revenue portion from the very rich and corporations
in secret, because most of this is done in a very abstruse way most Americans
are not even conscious of ... for example stating that the goal is to re-regulate
banks with Dodd Frank, but the passing laws that no one can possibly understand
or prosecute ... a total of 20,000 pages, the opposite occurs.

The goal of the Republican party has been to represent and pay off just enough
of those at the top and turn the rest of the country in disenfranchised losers
or hopeless working peasants who bow and scrape to the superior aristocratic
class and enjoy their media bread and circuses.

When the tax rate is raise just enough to cause friction and heat in the middle,
working and poor classes ... or course they think taxes are too high for everyone
and are open to the absurdist claims of Republicans that government is bad,
government is the problem and business is the answer ... when we had a
working and even winning system in the not to distant past.

There are the core of hugely rich and powerful people who look for the low-
hanging fruit that they can manipulate to get votes fast, and that is what the
Republicans have turned into ... and you can see it in the many AM radio and
TV far-right wing shows that have been dominant in the "Liberal Medai" for
over a generation now.

Why haven't the Republicans been more amenable to opening their eyes on
these issues before? I have to try give them the benefit of the strong doubt that
they simply did not see the massive effect over time that Republican policies
have had on the country and the economy.

Why have both parties completely ignored the trends that have been working
to both life the rest of the developed world up socially and economically and
ignore the trends that are driving the US society and economy down?

It has become about the continuance of the expansion of money and power by
an economic elite that through the financial industry has learned to pick the
pocket and spike the very veins of virtually everyone in the country ... ironically
including Republicans as well. What is there not to be sick and tired of?

The only counterweight is the incompetence and corruption on the Democratic
side which more and more dances to the tune of the same pipers who give them
the same money to, depending on which way the polls things the people are
going.

As Bernie Sanders as questioned ... why is the finanical industry giving so much
to Hillary Clinton if they are afraid of the the Democrats might do in terms of
punishment and regulation? The Democrats themselves have just "regulated"
all Americans to have to pay what is a private tax to an completely useless
industry that does nothing ... health insurance.

Everywhere the people on either side turn there are chutes and doors to
point them in the direction the well prepared status quo is ready for ... so
whichever side you are on, don't expect it to be easy, but do expect them to
rile you up against your neighbor because that is how they always do it.

Trump. A xenophobic racist who hates women. Serial adulterer who broke his vows. Breaks contracts.

Your new leader of the Republican party.

I don't see why people are so shocked by Donald Trump. He is as clear extension of what the Tea Party has trying to do for the past decade or more. Only difference is that he has a lot more money behind him than past extremist Republicans.

And Hillary is your answer?

>> And Hillary is your answer?

At this point, probably. And for sure, if Clinton vs Trump? Hell, yes.

She's a centrist dem like Obama, too lib on some random stuff, but to the right of the mainstream left wackos.

Compare her positions (once she goes to her normal positions after Sanders is gone) to '96 Dole, 2000 McCain, or '92 Bush. Then try to figure out where Tump is on that scale.

So odd. Trying in advance to justify my presumed November vote. Ugh.

And now Trump will not share his tax returns?

The loudmouth campaigns on how successful he supposedly is, and won't back it up. If your raison d'être is your own claim to success, yet you refuse to offer anything more substantial than loud-mouthed braggadocio? I can't see Americans buying this at all.

Sad. So sad, what this election has become. Breaking every precedent of transparency. Being endorsed every day by figures that previously disparaged him beyond all bounds.

Where is the new conservative party for sane Americans?

"Where is the new conservative party for sane Americans?"

Uh, yeah.

The Clinton's have essentially released 40 years of tax returns.

Trump?

Zip.

Kind of the same as he has released for detail of his plans.

Zip.

All we know is that he wants to give himself and his billionaire buddies a tax cut.

What a great man. Fighting for his personal tax cut.

So patriotic.

What does Republican City Councilmember Peter Otaki say about Donald Trump? Speak up now or forever wonder of you could have been in the Assembly.

>> He is as clear extension of what the Tea Party has trying to do for the past decade or more

No, sir. The Tea Party started 7 years ago, in 2009, as the Tea Baggers, to protest George W. Bush's TARP program, and Obama's recession recovery program.

>> The first big day for this movement was Tax Day, April 15. And organizers had a gimmick. They asked people to send a tea bag to the Oval Office. One of the exhortations was "Tea Bag the Fools in D.C."  A protester was spotted with a sign saying, "Tea Bag the Liberal Dems Before They Tea Bag You."

Just another example of how serious conservatives have been abused by the crazies. Yes, the tea party was also an astroturf'd 'grassroots' movement, funded by billionaires from the beginning.



Back to Trump. Even Nixon released his tax returns. I sincerely believe that if Trump is elected, we will end up recalling Nixon quite fondly - compared to Trump.

Harry Truman was so dang honest, he released his tax returns every year, even AFTER he left office!

Here is the Truman 1972 return, his last. Actually rather quaint.

Web Link

Here is Sanders, and Clinton's: Web Link and Web Link


What are you hiding, Trump?


Sunshine is good. Even for your wig.

Trump spent years demanding transparency on Obama's birth certificate, even telling us that his investigation was ready to expose "a bombshell".

Obama has released his tax returns for over a decade.


Step up, you lying sack of hairballs.

Now Trump says America and Britain will not be the traditional allies as before.

>> "It looks like we're not going to have a very good relationship.”

Why? Because conservative David Cameron called Trump's plans divisive and stupid.

>> Cameron has described Trump’s plan as “stupid” and “divisive and wrong”

Trump is going to be a bigger foreign policy disaster than George W. Bush.


Where is the New Conservative Third Party?


I cannot vote for this idiotic reality show narcissist, nor any Republican who does not denounce Trump. He is a threat to America. A clear and present danger. Our generals will have to tell him they cannot follow his dangerous orders and we will have a coup. And they will be doing the correct, conservative thing for America.

Unbelievable.

Now Trump says America and Britain will not be the traditional allies as before.

>> "It looks like we're not going to have a very good relationship.”

Why? Because conservative David Cameron called Trump's plans divisive and stupid.

>> Cameron has described Trump’s plan as “stupid” and “divisive and wrong”

Trump is going to be a bigger foreign policy disaster than George W. Bush.


Where is the New Conservative Third Party?


I cannot vote for this idiotic reality show narcissist, nor any Republican who does not denounce Trump. He is a threat to America. A clear and present danger. Our generals will have to tell him they cannot follow his dangerous orders and we will have a coup. And they will be doing the correct, conservative thing for America.

Unbelievable.

Only registered Republicans can vote in the Presidential Primary.

So do that before you leave the party.

I am absolutely astounded that Trump is polling this well.

Selfish. Narcissistic. Terrible to women. Knows nothing about running a government other than cliches.

Those cliches have never yielded a better government.

Compassionate Conservativism, anybody? Abject failure.

When voters get angry enough -- in this case, fury over the shipping of jobs overseas, starting with NAFTA -- I think they're willing to overlook a candidate's flaws.

Trump's utter crudeness is repellent, not to mention his easy ways with facts. But try sharing this indignation with people who have seen their middle-class lives shrivel while the rich get richer. They'll give the guy a chance, particularly given that his opponent is the spouse of the guy who signed NAFTA and who cleared the way for China to join the World Trade Organization.

Who was talking in Bill Clinton's ear at the time? No one who had concerns for the middle class. If voters abused by his selling them down the river also see his reflection in Hillary, choosing a demagogue who at least has some passion about their problems makes sense.

The same can be said about the support for Bernie Sanders.

I won't vote for Trump, but I think I understand the anger of those who will.

Trump is going to give himself and his fellow billionaires a huge tax cut.

Anything else is all talk. Zero proof. Zero detail. Zero plans. Zero interest, other than make empty promises to get himself elected.

He has not offered a single plan that wasn't just a bunch of noise.

He will screw the working class. Nothing in it for him.

Other than cutting his own taxes.

At least he is consistent about his wants.

I don't know a republican either that admits in public that he or she would dare vote for that idiot.

>> The same can be said about the support for Bernie Sanders.

Huh, not at all.

I know there are some Bernie Sanders supporters, or at least they say
they are that are annoying and pushy, trollish on the Internet ... mostly
on the subject of Hillary Clinton, which is what makes me thing at least
some of them are not real Bernie supporters ...

but, to compare Bernie with Trump is unwarranted. Bernie has been
laser-focused on his agenda, the reason for it, and now to get people
to support him. Bernie has not insulted wide groups of people in our
country, he has not instigated mob behavior, he has not name-called
or flip-flopped around on the issues.

It's categorically unfair to throw Bernie into the Trump category.

I'm putting Bernie and Trump in the same category in one respect only. They're both articulating positions -- if that's not too disrespectful to the phrase "articulating positions" in reference to Trump -- in that they're both taking the side of the people being put out of jobs.

That's about as far as I am willing to go in having those two names in the same sentence ... except to say that polls show Bernie beating the pants off Trump when compared to Hillary.

But then Bernie hasn't been subjected to much analysis by the press. His support for the drone war, for example, is not well known. Sanders was also on board with the regime change legislation in the 1990s that made the invasion of Iraq possible, not to mention the sanctions that destroyed ordinary life as it had been known in Saddam Hussein's Iraq.

Trump claims that he is bringing ion millions of voters to the Republican party, quite the opposite of my point about Trump driving away thoughtful conservatives.

Just another Trump lie.

The data proves it. He is just getting the fringe (xenophobes, supremacists, etc..) to vote in the primary, which they usually ignore (imho, because normal Republicans do not speak to them in Trump dog whistles.)


"Donald Trump likes to say he has created a political movement that has drawn “millions and millions” of new voters into the Republican Party. “It’s the biggest thing happening in politics,” Trump has said. “All over the world, they’re talking about it,” he's bragged.

But a Politico analysis of the early 2016 voting data show that, so far, it’s just not true.

While Trump’s insurgent candidacy has spurred record-setting Republican primary turnout in state after state, the early statistics show that the vast majority of those voters aren’t actually new to voting or to the Republican Party, but rather they are reliable past voters in general elections. They are only casting ballots in a Republican primary for the first time.

It is a distinction with profound consequences for the fall campaign."


Web Link

Joe ...
>> they're both taking the side of the people being put out of jobs.

I just do not know about that at this point with Trump. I know it with Bernie
and trust him, but for goodness sake, Trump said earlier, before he did what
he always does, contradict himself that the minimum wage should be lower
or done away with.

Bernie knows that making the health care system single payer will be a huge
help to small businesses relieving them of the problem of having to find,
manage and pay for health care ... not usually a companies core competency.
The US is close to dead last in the developed world in terms of health care
results and we pay twice as much. Trump once supported single payer but
says the US could not do this now.

We are offloading education to other countries, preferring to let them pay for
or educate their people, which all the developed countries do better than the
US, and then letting them come here to live and giving jobs and opportunities
to them ahead of Americans. We would prefer to have students from overseas
as well since they pay hard cash. I think Trump's point on this is that we
cannot afford it, but what do we do with a country full of uneducated and
undisciplined people. Take a look at the Finland or Slovenia parts of the new
Michael Moore movie "Where to Invade Next ... Finland is #1 in the world in
educational outcomes.

Trump is like a joke, at least Bernie, whether you agree with him or not has
facts based real plans that many experts agree on, and more that the rest of
the developed world has even implemented and proven that they work.

Trump has never done anything in politics before and he divides his own
party ... which actually makes me kind of happy. The trend in the media of
equating Trump with Bernie like the same people are attracted to them is
fairly groundless ... of course there will be some groups of people that likes
both of them, I believe it's just not significant.

My own opinion is that what makes Bernie really great is that he is not a
typical progressive that talks about how horrible America is, and how they
want to destroy the military, and then attacks Israel. Bernie focuses on the
important things, not the divisive things that we are not going to be able to
do anything about. I have no problem with the drone program, over time
the "collateral damage" of our military and the numbers killed and injured
in wars are decreasing. Personally I think it made little sense to have a mad
dog like Saddam Hussein and his mass murdering sons running Iraq. The
management of the wars was bungled by G. W. Bush. For many reasons
the Middle East has been a hellhole for a very long time.

What I think the priorities are and should be for the US is to bring back
representation for the people and support our citizens and start to live up
to the hype we show in our movies all over the world. Americans have no
one representing them any longer, and looking at the two - Sanders and Trump
who is more equipped to understand and pursue the interests of the American
people?

After 8 years of my party attacking Obama for his bad foreign policy, his 'apology' tour, etc..

Trump comes out and says not only will he give nukes to Saudi Arabia and Japan, but he will meet with horrific dictators. Specifically, the Korean dictator, and violating decades of American diplomacy.

This is a quote FROM ANOTHER REPUBLICAN:

Trump "fails my commander-in-chief test. I think he is a stunning ignoramus on foreign policy issues and national security, which are the issues I care most about. And he's said one stupid, reckless thing after another, and he's shown absolutely no temperament to try to learn the things that he doesn't know, and he doesn't know just about everything. …The guy has a chimpanzee-level understanding of national security policy."—Republican Mike Murphy


Murphy: advised Republicans including John McCain, Rick Lazio, John Engler, Tommy Thompson, Spencer Abraham, Christie Whitman, Lamar Alexander, and Arnold Schwarzenegger. Until January 2006, he was an adviser to Mitt Romney. He ran Jeb Bush's political action committee, Right to Rise.


Trump "has a chimpanzee-level understanding of national security policy."


Save us all.

Support the New Conservative Party. Do not give Trump the satisfaction of your vote.

Show the California GOP how dissatisfied you are by picking any other candidate on you primary ballot. "Under-vote" Trump in the primary. Vote 3rd party in the general (Clinton wins CA anyway.)

Trump is very anti-immigrant except in one area - all his wives are immigrants.

'Murican wimen not good enuf fer ya, Donald?

Or is it a case of immigrants doing a job American women just don't want to do?

Enquirer minds want to know.....

@Sam: "Trump is very anti-immigrant except in one area - all his wives are immigrants."

Not quite -- unless you consider Georgia to be still separated from the United States (where Marla Maples was born).