Jewish House Dems can't be dominated by their religion. Like Colin Powell they recognize that "it's a pretty good deal."

What's the matter, right-wing troll, watching Giants games not enough to keep you busy these days?

And why the need to put out garbage like THIS? The only voices in opposition to the Iran nuclear deal (so far) are from those interests who want a conflict with Iran (never mind that would make the war in Iraq seem like a picnic in the park in comparison).

New Rule: listen to bebe natinyahoo, and do the opposite.

Example: bebe said invading Iraq was a slam dunk.

Wrong as always, beebs. Now the beebs wants US servicemen in Iran.

Keeping Iran from nukes, as Obama did, is a win for Israel. Stopping this agreement vitually guarentees war. ie... what the GOP chickenhawks want.

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Obama kept nukes from Iran? Seriously? Iran has already all but said they're going to cheat and the terms we agreed to for inspections allows them all kinds of time to hide anything before the inspection. Obama kept nukes from Iran. Next life.

Yes. He has.

And if the chickenhawks sink this deal, unilateral US sanctions will not stop Iran from quickly finishing a weapon and setting off an arms race in the mideast.

Britain. Russia. German. France. The UN security council. Colin Powell. More retired generals and admirals.

vs the GOP chickenhawks.

And you?

beebs:

I'm definitely not for war, but the statement that "Obama kept nukes from Iran" is laughable. Everyone supports the deal because it's the best we're going to get, but by NO stretch of the imagination does it "keep nukes from Iran." It slows them down, MAYBE. Let's have this conversation in five years when Iran has nukes and see what you have to say then shall we?

"Everyone supports the deal because it's the best we're going to get"

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Oh - and Republicans (Trump excepted.)

whatever. You still ignore the fact that your statement that "Obama kept nukes from Iran" is nonsense. Step up and admit it please. Obama didn't keep nukes from anyone.

Sure. Obamas deal with the major countries involved will keep Iran nuke free for a minimum of 10 years.

vs

US boots on the ground in 2 under any of the current GOP clown car occupants, if they somehow got elected.

Your choice?

I don't buy 10 years. Let's talk in five. What then? Iran has nukes and is a major threat in the region. What then? Can you say kicking the can down the road?

Under the agreement, all committed nations would work together if Iran violates.

vs

Under GOP plans we go it alone.

Maybe Jeb could get Dubya to call around and get some polish jeep drivers and a couple guards from Palau. Web Link

beebs:

Iran WILL violate. They've said as much. Just what do you think Europe will do?

Can you say NOTHING?

Again, how can you say Obama made sure "Iran won't have nukes"?

Can't can you?

The supporters for this deal sound a lot like those we heard after we signed a similar deal with North Korea.

That one worked out really well.

Water,

You are right! It is a pretty good deal for Iran. For Israel. the other MENA countries and the United States it is a very bad deal.

Former CIA Director Leon Panetta had this to say about the Iran Nuclear deal:

"In itself, the Iran deal would appear to reward Tehran for defying the world, make funds available for its extremist activities and generally make it stronger militarily and economically. Although the agreement provides for a temporary delay in Iran’s nuclear enrichment capability, it allows Tehran to retain its nuclear infrastructure and obtain sanctions relief. The risk is that Iran could become an even bigger threat to the region."

He adds: “Let’s face it, given the situation in the Middle East, empowering Iran in any way seems like a dangerous gamble.” The deal is motivated by the fear of war, not sound strategy."

Voter - nice try, I never said "Iran won't have nukes"

Even worse attempt to cast aspersions on Europe, when culprits are so much closer.

Like Dick Cheney.

Chickenhawk. War profiteer. Seller of nuke tech to Iran.

Infowars: Web Link
"However, Halliburton has a long history of doing business in Iran, starting as early as 1995, while Vice President Cheney was chief executive of the company. Leopold quotes a February 2001 report published in the Wall Street Journal, “Halliburton Products and Services Ltd., works behind an unmarked door on the ninth floor of a new north Tehran tower block. A brochure declares that the company was registered in 1975 in the Cayman Islands, is based in the Persian Gulf sheikdom of Dubai and is “non-American.” But like the sign over the receptionist’s head, the brochure bears the company’s name and red emblem, and offers services from Halliburton units around the world.” Moreover mail sent to the company’s offices in Tehran and the Cayman Islands is forwarded directly to its Dallas headquarters."


Cheney. The Evil who still says he was “was right about Iraq.”

That's your side?

beebs:

you said, "Keeping Iran from nukes, as Obama did, is a win for Israel. "

Sounds like you saying Iran won't have nukes because Obama kept them from having them.

I'm certainly no supporter of Cheney or the military industrial complex and I challenge you to show anywhere I said I was. I'm not on a "side." I've simply pointed out the error in your statement, repeatedly which you steadfastly refuse to acknowledge. Obama has done nothing to "keep Iran from nukes." Your statement was patently false and absurd.

I know, I know, Obama lovers find it impossible to acknowledge the weaknesses of their hero.

Changing your words again... from doesn't to kept to won't back to kept.

Voter - nice try, I never said "Iran won't have nukes"

All the major powers have worked with the US to KEEP Iran from having nukes. The first step is to delay Iran ten years.

What's your plan, other than the GOP plan of some mythical better deal?

Obama is not a hero - again you subscribe to words others have not said. Obama is not a hero, despite almost singlehandedly without GOP help leading the US to recovery from the Bush great recession, the worst economic calamity since the First Replublican Great Depression. Obama is also not a hero for getting 15 million more Americans health insurance.

Not a hero. A president, who beat Palin McCain by a landslide and who held Mr. 47 percent to 47 percent in another landslide.

Not a hero. Just working singlehandedly to get America through Bush recovery, with 60 straight months of job growth, the longest postwar expansion in history.

Working singlehandedly to partner America with the major world powers to KEEP Iran from having nukes.

Not a hero, no matter how many times you try to put red herrings and straw men out in front of you. You're pretty good at that.

Happy Labor Day - the first Labor Day in a long time that we celebrate with 60 months of job growth, slowly recovering from the Cheney Bush fiasco.


Your heroes? Palin? TRUMP? Jeb? 5 percent Kasich?

beebs:

do you honestly believe Iran won't have nukes for 10 years? Even given the fact that they have said they will cheat? And especially given the fact they will have at least 24 days to move stuff to prepare for "inspections?" Seriously?

We haven't done a damn thing to slow down Iran's nuke development and in fact, may have actually helped accelerate it given lifting of sanctions will bring them a lot more money with which to develop them.

As to hero's. NONE of my heroes are politicians. I hold attorneys in higher regard.

You made it perfectly clear that Obama is yours.

I'm done with this dialogue with the deaf.

Dualogue of the deaf?

I say 4 times that Obama is not a hero, yet you insist that I beleive such tripe.

You threw out multiple red herrings, strawmen, etc... yet never answer the key question about Iran:

What's your plan, other than the GOP plan of some mythical better deal?

Yeah, thought so. A fictional "perfect" as the enemy of a decade of good.

Have a good day.

Former Dem - then by your logic Dems aren't throwing Isreal under the bus.

Excerpted with permission from the blog of Andrew Tobias (well known financial writer), himself Jewish:

But five former US ambassadors to Israel, from both Republican and Democratic administrations are for it . . . writing that, “the consequences of rejection are grave” . . .
www.scribd.com/doc/272679222/Letter-on-JCPOA-From-Former-Und-Sec-State-and-US-Ambs-to-Israel-to-House-Leadership

. . . as are a former head of Mossad, a former head of Shin Bet (read that one here) . . .
www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/21/ex-intel-chief-iran-deal-good-for-israel.html

. . . more than 100 other former US ambassadors from both political parties (here) . . .
www.scribd.com/doc/271773707/Letter-to-the-President-from-over-100-former-American-Ambassadors-on-the-Joint-Comprehensive-Plan-of-Action-on-Iran-s-Nuclear-Program

. . . more than 60 “national security leaders” like former National Security Advisor to Gerald Ford and George H.W. Bush Brent Scowcroft, former National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski, former Republican Senator Nancy Kassenbaum (daughter of 1936 Republican Presidential nominee Alf Landon and widow of former Republican Senate Majority Leader Howard Baker — remember moderate Republicans?), former Senator Don Riegle (whose first three terms in the House, and whose mayoralty before that, were as a Republican, but who became a Democrat over differences with the Republicans over civil rights and the Viet Nam war), former Senate Armed Services Committee Chairs Carl Levin and Republican John Warner (jointly penning, “Why Hawks Should Also Back the Iran Deal“) . . .
www.politico.com/agenda/story/2015/08/levin-warner-military-option-iran-nuclear-deal-000198


. . . Hans Blix, former head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, “who a dozen years ago tried to avert the disaster in Iraq” . . .
Web Link

. . . and more. (If you read Hebrew, try this, by Uzi Even, one of Israel’s top nuclear experts. “Israeli Opposition to Nuclear Agreement — A Logical Fallacy.”)
www.haaretz.co.il/opinions/.premium-1.2707341

And this just in — “340 Rabbis Urge Congress to Support Nuclear Deal with Iran.”
thehill.com/policy/defense/251263-340-rabbis-urge-congress-to-support-iran-nuclear-deal

Leon Panetta is actually in favor of it. It's a little disturbing how Former Dem tried to characterize Panetta's comments as otherwise.

Most who support this agreement, like Panetta, invariably begin their defense by stating how horrible the deal is. Even President Obama said something along those lines.

Their enthusiasm is clearly infectious.

Still waiting for someone to tell us what a better deal would be - what would you give up to add something else?

And why the so called "fault" is Obamas, not Russia Germany or Britain.

No Pogo, only someone really trying to twist things would try to convince others Panetta is against it. None of us are happy that we can't get what we want, and what we think the world needs. But the blame for this thread lies with its authors, who lies.

Sorry, but I never said Panetta was against the deal. What I said is supporters "invariably begin their defense by stating how horrible the deal is." Panetta did precisely that (and did so by his own admission).

My comment was only three sentences long and you still managed to misinterpret it. Truly remarkable.

Pretty hard to answer the same question posed over and over, in only three sentences, one supposes...

"Still waiting for someone to tell us what a better deal would be - what would you give up to add something else?"

"What's your plan, other than the GOP plan of some mythical better deal?"

etc...


Easy to pick apart an agreement put together and supported by so many nations and the UN Security Council.

“Bush and Cheney may have rhetorically opposed the Iranian nuclear program. In reality, they allowed it to blossom...

.. at the start of Bush’s presidency, Iran had no operational centrifuge cascades and no stocks of enriched fuel, so it had no means of making a nuclear weapon.”

“By the time Bush left office in January 2009, Iran had just under 4,000 working centrifuges and an additional 1,600 installed. These had, to that point, produced 171 kilos of low-enriched uranium. Oh, and Iran had covertly built a new enrichment facility under a mountain at Qom.”

Web Link

Neville Chamberlain?

Nope - Diville Cheneylain. So-called friend of Israel.

Cheney and Halliburton give Iran the tools?

Clearly -- Bill Clintons fault

Harvard Law Professor and Democrat Alan Dershowitz makes a compelling case as why the Iran Nuclear deal is a very bad deal for the United States, Israel, and the free world.

Web Link

When compared to Neville Chamberlain, Barack Obama makes him look like General George S. Patton. When compared to Joe the Plumber he makes Joe look like Winston Churchill.

But what about Cheney selling nuke tech to Iran?

And Bush allowing all those centrifuges?

What would be a better deal?

War?

Is that why Bush and Chrney let them go nuke? Just to go to war?

Chickenhawks.

Dershowitz is just another ChickenHawk - their answer is always WAR!!!

“to use force to prevent Iran from ever becoming a nuclear weapons state”

MORE WAR!!!

China, Russia, America, Britain, Germany, France and the UN Security Council disagree with DershkenHawk.

Maybe I should re-think my support of this deal! I just heard the good Governor of Alaska, and the Voice of Republicans Against the Deal, speak on the subject:

"So up there in Alaska, across the way Russia, you know there is a name for this taking advantage of America. There is a Russian name for that. And it is called 'fortushka.' And that means Obama's window of opportunity. So as Obama leads from behind the skirt of his right-hand man, Valerie Jarrett, then it's up to Congress to close that window. He may propose. You dispose, Congress. You gotta be in it to win it because we want peace. With unapologetic mighty red, white, and blue, will have peace."

It gets BETTER every time you read it. Please, please re-read it. An amazing bit of oratory. How can one possibly argue with logic like this!

To view further, including where she brings in unicorns = Web Link

Under this "Appeasement at Munich" agreement Iran is permitted to continue developing the centrifuges it needs to enrich uranium to weapons grade. Iran will be able to retain almost all of its nuclear infrastructure. Sanctions on Iran will be lifted long before Iran finishes making the changes in its nuclear program the agreement requires. We need to close these loopholes that President Obama caved in on.

Since Iran has violated over 20 international agreements and has repeatedly lied to International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors, we can trust Iran to abide by this agreement as much as we can trust Hillary to tell the truth. USG officials from President Obama on down have previously emphasized that we must have surprise anytime, anywhere inspections to verify that Iran is complying with the agreement. Yet this agreement, in the Obama approved form, prevents those crucial inspections. If Iran objects to a requested inspection, a committee including Iran, Russia and China would deliberate giving Iran time to conceal evidence of their nefarious activity. Talk about the fox watching the chicken coop!

Saudi Arabia already said it does not believe this deal will be effective, and that it will match Iran’s nuclear capability escalating nuclear proliferation in the Middle East. News reports indicate Saudi Arabia is planning to buy a nuclear weapon from another country. Algeria, the UAE, Qatar, Turkey and others are also preparing to become nuclear weapons states if this deal is approved. Any additional nuclear weapons in the world’s most unstable region will dramatically increase the chances they will fall into the hands of terrorists. Talk about adding fuel to the fire! Iran itself is the world largest funder and sponsor of terrorist groups in the world.

Iran’s government is spending hundreds of millions developing intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) that can reach points around the globe. This agreement allows it to continue developing ICBMs. There is only one reason for Iran to have ICBMs: for offensive military action. President Obama is making Dr. Strangelove look like Mother Teresa with his reckless endangerment of the world not to mention the sudden peak in global warming caused by thermonuclear destruction.

"agreement Iran is permitted to continue developing the centrifuges it needs to enrich uranium to weapons grade" Wrong.

Rightwing talking points that mirror the lies told by chickenhawks. Face it, if you are on the same side as Dick Cheney and Sarah Palin, you're never going to hear the truth. Under this agreement, Iran cuts back it's centrifuges by 2/3rds.

Facts: Bloomberg 1 "Under the deal, Iran will maintain the ability to enrich uranium but only for peaceful purposes. It will keep about a third of its 19,000 centrifuges capable of separating the explosive uranium-235 isotope from uranium ore. For 15 years, it agreed to refine the metal to no more than 5 percent enrichment, the level needed to fuel nuclear power plants, and pledged to limit its enriched-uranium stockpile to 300 kilograms, 3 percent of its stores in May."

10 years of no nukes, and plenty of time to make the deal stronger.

Or go to war, without the help of Britain, Russia, China, Germany, etc... Or as Dick Cheney calls it: "make Haliburton more money" time!

That quote from the Voice of the Republicans is priceless.

Palinesque!!!!!

Possibly the only person who can beat Trump!

"When compared to Neville Chamberlain, Barack Obama makes him look like General George S. Patton."

How quaint in hindsight, when we now know Obama is the best American global leader we've had this century - Trump IS a complete disaster, and Bush WAS a disaster.

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John McCain: Obama was a better global leader than Trump

"Senator John McCain, a prominent Republican voice on foreign policy, was visibly irked when asked by the Guardian what message Trump had sent to the United Kingdom, one of America’s most enduring allies.

“What do you think the message is? The message is that America doesn’t want to lead,” McCain said, while adding of the rest of the world: “They are not sure of American leadership, whether it be in Siberia or whether it be in Antarctica.”

Asked if America’s standing on the global stage was better under Barack Obama, McCain, a fervent critic of the previous administration’s foreign policy, responded: “As far as American leadership is concerned, yes.”

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Bob Corker: omg, wt* did Trump say now?!?

"In less than 140 characters, Donald Trump had left the chairman of the Senate foreign relations committee speechless.

Senator Bob Corker, a Republican from Tennessee, could barely mask his disbelief when reporters on Capitol Hill informed him of tweets in which Trump accused Qatar, a close US ally, of being a state sponsor of terrorism. “The president?” Corker asked, lowering his register.

It was not until Corker read the tweets from one reporter’s cellphone that he appeared to process the information. And even as Corker, once on the shortlist to be Trump’s secretary of state, sought to emphasize the American tradition of working with all of its Gulf state allies, his words gave way to prolonged moments of silence."

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Trump sold a hundred billion in weapons to Israel's biggest military threat. And all he got was a steekin' hotel deal out of it.

“340 Rabbis Urge Congress to Support (Obama) Nuclear Deal with Iran.”

How many are supporting Trump's idiotic blustering with North Korea? Didn't Donny tell us he could negotiate anything?

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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
North Korea just stated that it is in the final stages of developing a nuclear weapon capable of reaching parts of the U.S. IT WON'T HAPPEN!
3:05 PM - 2 Jan 2017
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Tired of winning yet?

See: North Korea fires ICBM capable of reaching Alaska on America's Birthday Web Link

Now they're just laughing at Donny in his face. All of them - friends and enemies alike snickering at his lies and bluster.

No worries, career diplomats like Nikki Haley and Rex Tillerson are on the job!! Tired of winning yet?

North Korea will be able to reach the Bay Area by next year. Stay tuned to Almanac coverage. Tired of winning yet?

"No we never met with Russians."

"Okay we met to talk adoptions"

"Ummmm... well first we talked elections but they couldn't help us so we listened to her yap about adoption."

But she couldn't help you???

Donny junior and Jared going to the big house. Manafort too? Or does he go states evidence?