Let's talk about Steve Koonin, a physicist, formerly the chief scientist for British Petroleum (BP, yes, that BP) and his essay in the opinion page of wsj online. But first let's look at the inability of our local fringe to think critically about the issue:

"The fact is the Earth has been a helluva lot warmer and a helluva a lot colder then the current climate today."

Duh. And when it was warmer, sea levels were higher, and when it was colder, it was called an ice age. All those changes were gradual, with everything effected by those changes being gradual, such as huge agriculture shifts, sea level rise, severity of weather, etc.. The amount of change over the industrial era caused by humans is far more than expected from natural change, and is all in the same direction.

Modern Climate Change is not gradual. We see the changes measured in years, not millennia. It will affect sea level rise which will displace hundreds of millions in our or our children's lifetime. It will effect agriculture and food supply. It will effect water supply. It will have great cost.

Steven Koonin, a physicist, formerly the chief scientist for British Petroleum (BP) and his essay in the opinion page of wsj online has some truths that our local "Frosty's" wouldn't admit even a couple weeks ago, including:

- "The crucial scientific question for policy isn’t whether the climate is changing. That is a settled matter"

- "Nor is the crucial question whether humans are influencing the climate. That is no hoax: There is little doubt in the scientific community that continually growing amounts of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, due largely to carbon-dioxide emissions from the conventional use of fossil fuels, are influencing the climate."

Lastly, from Koonin, the BP guy:

“Society's choices in the years ahead will necessarily be based on uncertain knowledge of future climates. That uncertainty need not be an excuse for inaction.”

It is the wise choice to quickly and efficiently move to a green economy, create new industries and jobs, rather than to wait and do nothing other than send American dollars over to the middle east for tanker after tanker of despot owned oil, which funds terrorism and attacks America and American soldiers.



Even Koonin, the former chief scientist for British Petroleum agrees:


“That uncertainty need not be an excuse for inaction.”

Are we in BizzaroWorld? The original poster claims: "WSJ Article on Climate Science not being settled"

Yet the actual article says Climate Science IS MOST DEFINITELY SETTLED:

… … … "The crucial scientific question… isn't whether the climate is changing. That is a settled matter"

… … … "Nor is the crucial question whether humans are influencing the climate. That is no hoax: There is little doubt in the scientific community that… greenhouse gases in the atmosphere… are influencing the climate."

How fraudulent. Almost as fraudulent as referring to scientists as "liberals" and vice versa.

Ignore the fraudsters and other deniers.

Now the Los Angles Times has admitted that warming of the West Coast is caused naturally. It reports:

"Naturally occurring changes in winds, not human-caused climate change, are responsible for most of the warming on land and in the sea along the West Coast of North America over the last century, a study has found."

"The analysis challenges assumptions that the buildup of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere has been a significant driver of the increase in temperatures observed over many decades in the ocean and along the coastline from Alaska to California."

"The study, conducted by researchers from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the University of Washington, was published Monday by the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences."

So now some global warming crazed liberal will disingenuously blog about how the National Academy of sciences did not get it right.

BTW, the cofounder of Greenpeace, Dr. Patrick Moore is concerned about global cooling. So you can bet your bottom dollar that the Religion of Global Warming will say that hydrocarbons have finished their cycle of global warming and are now causing global cooling.

"Moore is concerned about global cooling." hahahahahah

from YOUR article: … … … "The crucial scientific question… isn't whether the climate is changing. That is a settled matter"



"that warming of the West Coast is caused naturally" hahahahahaha once AGAIN confusing weather with CLIMATE

from YOUR article: … … … "Nor is the crucial question whether humans are influencing the climate. That is no hoax: There is little doubt in the scientific community that… greenhouse gases in the atmosphere… are influencing the climate."




NOAA: The year 2013 ties with 2003 as the fourth warmest year globally since records began in 1880. The annual global combined land and ocean surface temperature was 0.62°C (1.12°F) above the 20th century average of 13.9°C (57.0°F). This marks the 37th consecutive year (since 1976) that the yearly global temperature was above average. Currently, the warmest year on record is 2010, which was 0.66°C (1.19°F) above average. Including 2013, 9 of the 10 warmest years in the 134-year period of record have occurred in the 21st century. Only one year during the 20th century—1998—was warmer than 2013.




Including 2013, 9 of the 10 warmest years ... have occurred in the 21st century. Only one year during the 20th century—1998—was warmer than 2013.




Only one year during the 20th century—1998—was warmer than 2013.

Conflicting reports from @baby.

Must be hard when denying science, keeping track of all the false claims.

First one post says its settled, then another saying that it isn't settled.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Make up your mind.

The LA Times article states:

"The study, conducted by researchers from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the University of Washington, was published Monday by the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences."

It looks like the organizations you are quoting are contradicting you.

@baby says "The study, conducted by researchers from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the University of Washington, was published Monday by the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences."

So let's listen to NOAA, on local and regional weather/climate, and GLOBAL CLIMATE:


The ocean is warming. Climate change is real. he actual heating of the oceans is real. The changes in local areas (commonly referred to as "weather") will be all over the map, crazier weather, etc..


THE GLOBAL DATA IS REAL:




Including 2013, 9 of the 10 warmest years ... have occurred in the 21st century. Only one year during the 20th century—1998—was warmer than 2013.



Only one year during the 20th century—1998—was warmer than 2013.




It is settled science, even according to @baby's posts: "The crucial scientific question for policy isn't whether the climate is changing. That is a settled matter"


"The crucial scientific question for policy isn't whether the climate is changing. That is a settled matter"