Auto burglars hit Menlo Park in a dozen incidents Sunday night

This is because Prop 47 passed - they let out lots of criminals to make room - and they changed felonies to misdemeanors. Voters were somewhat misled , thinking that they were just releasing low crime marijuana abusers - but it was much much more than that
The only way we’re gong to lower crime back down is to repeal Prop 47. Cops just chase these guys around - if they catch them at all - they are back on the street in hours.

> repeal Prop 47

How much are you willing to pay in tax increases for additional jails?

Thank you Props 47, 57 and 109. The ‘Bleeding Hearts’ have contributed to this opportunity.

Lawn Order:

How much are you willing to pay in tax increases for additional jails?

@neenee @LawnOrder : I for one am not willing to pay more taxes for more incarceration because peeps are so stupid as to leave their cars unlocked and/or valuables in plain sight.

To Lawman

Dude, the article said 6 of the 10 cars had nuthing stolen. Your comment about leaving stuff in sight makes zero sense. These car burglars are breaking windows hoping there’s something inside.

> Dude, the article said 6 of the 10 cars had nuthing stolen.


'dude' - read it again - the article states that it is unknown what was stolen in 6 cases.


"Police do have information on what was stolen in six of the incidents – cash, backpacks, a wallet, packages, a laptop and a camera – but nothing for the other six.
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Police have no information on what, if anything, was stolen in the six Menlo Oaks burglaries."

Think of a world where you were unable to keep property. You spend your paycheck on something nice only to have someone bigger and stronger than you take it away when you get it home. Why would you make any effort to accumulate wealth? Why work??

In the USA, the government's role is protect that right to accumulate property. That is typically done through the enactment of legislation which makes theft illegal. And, government typically backs up that legislation with incentives to comply -- fines and jail time.

But not in California. By removing the incentives, the government now finds itself unable to protect its citizens from the thief who wants what's yours. They no longer put them in jail. To add insult to injury, the consequences for the driver -- drug use -- have largely been eliminated as well.

In another thread on this board, they are actually discussing whether the cops should be stopping people on obviously stolen bicycles. Really.

How much would you pay for jails and prisons? What an absurd question. Not a penny more than I am already paying.

The funding answer is found in eliminating the idiotic expenditures on high speed trains to nowhere and billion dollar fish tunnels. Spend the tax dollars on the basics -- protecting life and property. Courts, jails, prisons, cops, firefighters, and teachers. It is not that complicated.

This State has lost its way.

Prop 47 passed in Nov. 2014, went into effect in 2015.

CA prison population on June 30th, 2015:

129,182

CA prison population on June 30, 2018? Wait for it...

129,417

Source: CA Dept of Corrections

Further, several studies have shown that increases in property crime are not associated with Prop 47.

Sources: Web Link

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Let's look at some other possible causes...

Income inequality, maybe?

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Systemic racism, maybe?

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Yeah, we should make CA great again, Alvin. Let's go back to the crime rates that we had in the 80's and 90's. Again, facts:

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Spoiler alert: current violent crime rate lowest since the early 70s. current property crime rate lowest since 1960! The highest historical rates were from ~1980-1992...

Well,Fact Guy, i don’t see how those numbers are correct. I am also on nextdoor.com. Every single day and night , there are reports of packages stolen from porches - even people following Fed Ex and UPS around on their routes.
Someone wrote that people should lock their cars - all these cars have had windows smashed

The bank in Redwood City has had to install floor to ceiling bullet proof glass they have been robbed so often
So , clearly, this is not something to just shrug at -
Alvin Tostig hit the nail on the head - CA doesn’t care if its citizens are victims of crime - it’s that simple - and it’s that sad

So math, facts and reality don't rate compared to your feelings, which get stoked up by anecdotal noise on chat rooms?

Well, then.

By all means, keep living in your fear-based fantasy. But please reply to the question earlier:

> repeal Prop 47

How much are you willing to pay in tax increases for additional jails?

Residents around here may need a dose of reality now and then. Oh my gosh, a couple of young people smashed some car windows. This area is one of the safest in the world. If you think otherwise, you will never find a feeling of security. I could literally safely walk any neighborhood from RWC to Mt View at any time of night and this includes EPA.

I guess what I’m saying is I wouldn’t declare a state of emergency yet...

@neenee: which specific bank in RWC "has had to install floor-to-ceiling bulletproof glass" and when did they do it?

Reality check - it s US Bank on woodside road - has been robbed at gunpoint a bunch of times.

US bank robberies:

2003 - 7,644
2017 - 3,937

Source: FBI

But please keep stoking fear...

> ...US Bank on woodside road - has been robbed at gunpoint a bunch of times.

Please define "bunch of times": ten? five? twenty?

Robbed d it enough times to warrant wall-to-wall bullet proof glass. Doesn’t that say at all to you?

Perfect answer! (in that: you have yet to address any questions about your fear-mongering!)

Such as:
"repeal Prop 47" - How much are you willing to pay in tax increases for additional jails?

How many is a "bunch of times"? (hint: I only saw one in the last 6 years)

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US bank robberies:

2003 - 7,644
2017 - 3,937

Source: FBI

US bank robberies:

2003 - 7,644
2017 - 3,937

Source: FBI


G'day, mate!

Dang - data sure made her mad!

Always amazes me when people post without ever checking out facts first.

Prop 47 is linked to increase in auto thefts - SF Chronicle
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Proposition 47 makes stealing a car worth $950 or less a misdemeanor - LA Times
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Shoplifters taking toll on local economy after Prop. 47
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Thefts rise after California reduces criminal penalties with Proposition 47
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California voters had high hopes for Proposition 47, a ballot initiative that passed in November 2014 to lower criminal penalties for various property and drug offenses and thereby ease the state’s prison overcrowding problem. Although the initiative succeeded in meeting some objectives, it also triggered major unintended consequences that have harmed tens of thousands of law-abiding property owners, and it continues to inflict economic and psychological damage.
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Now that you think you have proven that this is caused by the latest propositions:

***How much more in taxes are you willing to pay to keep all these people in jail?***

I’m with Alvin. I’m willing to pay no more than the already country-highest tax rates we already pay. Stop the stupid bullet train to nowhere. Stop the fish tunnels. Stop paying for illegal’s benefits, food, housing and schooling. With the billions CA flushes down the toilet with those programs, we might even get a tax break at the end of the day. Even after paying for prisons.

> ***How much more in taxes are you willing to pay to keep all these people in jail?***

At least we have the answers to that simple question. Not one of the fear/scaremongers above are willing to increase their taxes even a DIME to lock away/warehouse criminals.

Same folk who wanted to go to war in Iraq and not pay for it - we borrowed from China and Saudi Arabia to fight a useless war.

Thanks for answering, mates.

Well matey boy neenee: First, you have no idea what my position is on Iraq, so I can assume you just like to hear yourself bloviate about totally unrelated topics. Very poor logical argument.

I want to stop paying for wasteful social programs, supporting illegal aliens, trains that will NEVER pay for themselves, and ridiculous water tunnels. If we had an efficient state government with below average taxes, i’d be happy to pay more to build prisons. But in arguably the highest taxed state in the country, I refuse to support a penny more in taxes for anything.

So, how does that grab you neenee? BTW, if you don’t think you are paying enough, you’re free to write a check to the state or federal government. However, Warren Buffet and Tom Steyer who both think taxes are too low have never written that check.... I’d guess you fit right in there.