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Atherton continues fight against Caltrain electrification funds

Original post made on Jun 10, 2017

Even as Caltrain starts work on its nearly $2 billion project to electrify its trains on the Peninsula, Atherton and others continue a legal fight that could take $741 million in funding from the project.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Saturday, June 10, 2017, 6:21 PM

Comments

Posted by commuter
a resident of Menlo Park: Downtown
on Jun 10, 2017 at 8:01 pm

Rich NIMBYs are just trying to stall progress and drive up the price to taxpayers.


Posted by What's the point?
a resident of Menlo Park: Felton Gables
on Jun 10, 2017 at 10:29 pm

Can somebody please comment on what the hope is, or the desired outcome is, from those filing suit? So far as I can tell, everything presented in the current designs appears to be a welcome change compared to the status quo.


Posted by a can of dog food'll do
a resident of Atherton: other
on Jun 10, 2017 at 11:03 pm

Atherton files suits at the drop of a hat.

And if my memory serves (and alas, it doesn't 'serve' these days...) they sure do lose a lot of them. Any one have an idea on their actual track record?


Posted by Enemy of my enemy is my friend
a resident of another community
on Jun 11, 2017 at 2:42 am

The various plaintiffs have somewhat differing motivations for wanting to kill Caltrain electrification by blocking the HSR Authority from helping pay for about a third of it. However, as the old saying goes, for purposes of this lawsuit: "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

There are those who are primarily motivated by not wanting HSR passing anywhere near them or their home cities/counties due to various feared real or imagined "impacts" (e,g. Central Valley farmer John Tos, Atherton, Kings County, Peninsula-based Community Coalition on High-Speed Rail). Some of these plaintiffs (or their members) are also ideologically opposed to HSR, with reasons like Obama was for it, being afraid that it will actually be popular and work as well as it does most everywhere else in the over 20 countries of the word that have it despite incessant insistence that it can't work here.

Then there are those who have an ax to grind with the HSRA and seek revenge/retribution because their strongly-held opinions on how or where it should be designed, managed, built, and/or paid for have been ignored and their egos have been hurt (e.g. enabling legislation author and former HSRA board member ex-Senator Quentin Kopp and the generally pro-rail transit advocacy groups TRANSDEF and California Rail Foundation).


Posted by Benjamin Halpren
a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Jun 11, 2017 at 6:17 am

[Part removed. The coroner has not ruled on the cause of death. Also, to say the council doesn't care about deaths is over the top. ]

Last week a [death] by train at the Watkins crossing and all the Atherton Town Council can do is say [....] Keep things like they are [part removed].

Forget about the noise, the danger, the deaths, don't even think about separating the grade crossings. Instead spend how many millions on a new Town Taj Mahal. Instead hope against hope to reopen the station for the less than 10 daily customers that took the train in the days before the closure.

After all isn't 94027 entitled to stop the world? And yet the noise, the pollution, the deaths know no zip code boundaries. Its worse than a disgrace. Grade separation needs to be done now and shouldn't be blocked by a a few rich people who bought along the tracks because it was cheaper and want the rest of us to suffer the consequences rather than lose a sliver of their acre(fairly compensated) and scraggly trees along the right of way. What a wonderful thing it will be when the train zips through town with a whisper and we don't experience the yearly death toll extracted by the smoke belching, bell clanging monster that crosses our town hundreds of times a day.



Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Jun 11, 2017 at 7:27 am

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The Atherton Town Council is simply attracted to things that it does not/cannot control like Caltrain electrification, airplane noise and the Fire District.


Posted by Reality Check
a resident of another community
on Jun 11, 2017 at 10:14 am

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I did not see Benjamin Halpren's apparently on-point comments (with 7 "likes") until after they were censored, but from the remaining context it appears the censor is concerned with Mr. Halpren characterizing last week's death of local prominent, respected and very well-liked attorney Kirtee Kapoor as a suicide.

It is true that historically over 90% of pedestrians killed as a result of being the path of oncoming Caltrain trains are conclusively ruled suicides after investigations are complete. In many cases this is quite obvious from the perspective of the train engineer and confirmed by the forward-facing video cameras on all Caltrains and subsequent investigation. [Portion removed.] [I]t is true that Mr. Kapoor's tragic and untimely death should technically not definitively and authoritatively be said or assumed to be a suicide until the formal investigation is complete ... but with all due respect, the Almanac censor's zeal in censoring and chiding that not unreasonable working assumption on behalf of commenters seems more than a little excessive to this observer.


Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Jun 11, 2017 at 10:20 am

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Reality Check - Thank you for a very cogent and useful posting.

The Almanac is somewhat constrained in these cases by a very strong directive from the Publisher.


Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Jun 11, 2017 at 10:34 am

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From: Bill Johnson <bjohnson@paweekly.com>
Subject: Re: I respectfully request that you repost this
Date: March 9, 2015 at 3:50:03 PM PDT
To: Peter Carpenter <peterfcarpenter@me.com>

Peter,

You are welcome to post a short statement of appreciation for first responders and train engineers. The quoted interview, however, violates all the guidelines for appropriate comment in the aftermath of a suicide, and you really should know better.

If you persist in protesting the editing of your posts through follow-on new comments, we will block you from further participation on our forums. Either accept that by participating you give us the right to delete or edit your comments or stop participating.

Bill


Posted by bahcom
a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Jun 11, 2017 at 10:59 am

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No matter what the underlying cause, it was death by train, a wholly preventable death. It was unfortunate that you took the opportunity to discuss his life, admirable as it was instead of taking on the taboo subject, that is GRADE SEPARATION. That is the only way to avoid these deaths that seem to happen 15-20 times per year. When will the Atherton Town Council actually start planning for such with the same vigor they use for Airplane noise, which kills no one.


Posted by Menlo Voter.
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Jun 11, 2017 at 6:26 pm

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"When will the Atherton Town Council actually start planning for such "

Never


Posted by Reality Check
a resident of another community
on Jun 11, 2017 at 6:47 pm

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Regarding @bahcom's comment about Atherton's grade separation "taboo" ...

What's even worse is that I have learned from Menlo Park City staff (Nicole Nagaya, Asst. Public Works Director, et al) that their grade separation alternatives for Encinal (as part of the Ravenswood study) are being constrained by an apparent Atherton-driven requirement (request? demand?) that the Caltrain tracks remain "at grade" (the existing ground-level) within Atherton city limits.

As part of the Ravenswood grade separation alternatives, Menlo Park has examined whether to also grade separate the remaining 3 crossings (Oak Grove, Glenwood and Encinal) at the same time. However, due to the currently maximum allowable track grade for UP freight trains of 1%, in order to slope the tracks up to get over Encinal with enough clearance to avoid unacceptable impacts on the driveways of adjacent properties, the track would have to begin sloping upward just after Watkins, which is still inside Atherton City limits for a short distance.

So grade separating Encinal is off the table for the indefinite future in order to avoid what I assume is Atherton's wrath over a gentle upward slope beginning 50 yards or so inside Atherton city limits after Watkins going toward Encinal.


Posted by Brian
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Jun 13, 2017 at 5:57 pm

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When voting on the bond to fund HSR the people were given numbers for ridership and cost, shortly after the bond passed the Rail authority revised those numbers lowering expected ridership and increasing the expected costs. The bond should have been voided at that time due to the false information provided. Given the cost and the benefits of HSR it just does not make sense at this time. Happy to see that someone is trying to stop this huge waste of tax payer money.