David Frum: The Conservative Case for Voting for Clinton; "I appreciate that Donald Trump is too slovenly and incompetent to qualify as a true dictator"

In March, Trump told us the Cubs were a poorly run organization. In a speech.

Dudes an idiot.

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"This will always be remembered as the presidential election in which the KKK, the KGB and the FBI all supported the same candidate."

"To vote for Trump as a protest against Clinton’s faults would be like amputating a leg because of a sliver in the toe; cutting one’s throat to lower one’s blood pressure."

Well - there's that.

Town Hall has given 25 reasons not to vote for Hillary.

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The main reasons I am not voting for her are:

1) She is an angry entitled women who only cares about herself and cannot control her temper. Trump is narcissistic. Hillary is narcissistic, irrational, exercises extremely poor judgment, is unpredictable, and poses a far greater danger to society.

2) She gives signs off on a deal to give 20% of the United States Uranium reserves to Russia then falsely claims Trump is in Putin's pocket.

3) She defended a rapist of a 12 year old girl, laughs about it, suggests in her closing arguments that the innocent girl was asking for it, then hypocritically claims she is for women's rights.

4) She was an unmitigated disaster as Secretary of State and destabilized the region so much with her reckless and incompetent foreign policy then puts out these absurd ads about steady calm leadership. When she toppled Kaddafi, she created an anarchistic state that allowed ISIS to swoop in, seize the prized Libyan light crude and use the proceeds from its sale to grow the organization into a formidable terrorist group. She gave ISIS legs. Now the whole world is paying for her recklessness.

5) Makes knowingly false statements about Trump being a racist when her husband, when Governor of Arkansas interrupted his campaign for president so he could witness the execution of a mentally disabled man Ricky Ray Rector. This man did not even comprehend what was going to happen to him. After finishing his last meal he was asked why he didn't eat his dessert. His reply was "That's OK. I'll have it when I come back." Bill Clinton had no qualms of executing an African American Man, who was so obviously innocent due to mental defect, so the Clintons could look tough on crime.

6) Hillary has broken so many Federal Laws that it is obvious if she wins that Time Kaine will be President before she can even complete one term.

7) It's a tough choice when you can only choose between the Criminal and the Clown but the clown gets the nod because he won’t have to defend himself against impeachment, will have better people in his administration and a Supreme Court that respects the Constitution.

"She is an angry entitled women who only cares about herself and cannot control her temper."

Like all the other reasons listed - completely absurd. Even more so when you look at Trump's temper - witness the 3am tweets and other statements from his rallies, threats, belittling, name calling, etc..

Then compare Trumps temper to what HE told you about his sexual assualts not women.

The NUMBER ONE reason to vote FOR Clinton is Donald Trump.

"because the CLOWN won’t have to defend himself against impeachment"

He has 75 current lawsuits against him, according to USA Today, including the child rape case in December.

Get away from conservative media for a day or two.

"Former CIA chief: Trump is Russia’s useful fool"


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Believe the fringe anonymous poster here, instead of the former Cia chief.

Yeah. Makes sense. The Fox watcher knows more than the head of an intelligencell agency.

Loser.

Michael V. Hayden, a principal at the Chertoff Group and visiting professor at George Mason University’s Schar School of Policy and Government, was director of the National Security Agency from 1999 to 2005 and the Central Intelligence Agency from 2006 to 2009.

CLEVELAND, Ohio — A federal judge on Friday said he will issue a restraining order against Donald Trump's campaign and longtime adviser Roger Stone to avoid "harassing or intimidating conduct" at polling places on Nov. 8 Election Day.

Town Hall Reader,

Well said on all points,

I would add that Clinton spouts her position of being the protector of all woman when after Bill, groped, intimidated, raped and assaulted women since early in the governorship of Arkansas all the way through interns in two terms as president.

Hilliary not only stayed with her "man", She then put those same girls and women through horrible abuse and attacks of her own. Her attacks are well documented and were brutal.

Anyone that can admit that and still vote for her is sick. Again well documented.

Clintons'

Coined the term "Super Predator" after signing the Clinton Crime Bill"

Referring to inner city

"Young African American Men"

Well Documented

Well Documented?

Here's well documented for you - I do not know a single POC who buys Trump's bs.

Do you?

Since Trump supporters think spouses are important... shall we discuss Trump's illegal immigrant wife?

Lying for years about status?

Wow.

Hamp:

any documentation for that accusation?

Personally I would have preferred Rand Paul, but between Clinton and Trump I'll take Trump and as the polls tighten apparently so does 1/2 of America.

Hopefully he drains the swamp. The establishment on both sides are terrified that's why you have Republicans supporting Clinton.

Clinton will be fighting charges for the next 2 years. The country will not be able to function.

Suggest you go back and read Town Hall and my posts, If you can dispute any of the items let me know. But come back with facts. Try Google,

Also as Secretary of State give me 3 Clinton accomplishments. I can give you a list of failures.

any documentation for that accusation?

The AP. Did ten modeling jobs without being legal. All over normal outlets. Not fox.

"Mrs. Trump, who received a green card in March 2001 and became a U.S. citizen in 2006, has always maintained that she arrived in the country legally and never violated the terms of her immigration status. During the presidential campaign, she has cited her story to defend her husband's hard line on immigration."

She lied and Trump lied.

More to come.

As for the rigged media,

CNN pro Clinton, Fox pro Trump,

but I didn't know how bad it was until Donna Brazil was caught feeding debate questions from the moderators to Hilliary.

The only reason they fired her was she couldn't stand under the scrutiny off even CNN.

I guess what bothers me the most is self rightous Bernie Sanders was cheated during the debates and he sold out his dignity to campaign for Clinton.

All you Bernie supporters should not vote as a protest to Bernie getting cheated by the Clinton/CNN machine.

When you can rig a National Presidential Debate you can rig an election.

Sad.

How about Trump cheating while Melania was preggers? Little Barron's Addy couldn't stay home in his first year of marriage. Lies and more lies.

Cover up by his buddy Pecker at National Enquirer?

From Wall Street Journal

National Enquirer Shielded Donald Trump From Playboy Model’s Affair Allegation

Tabloid owner American Media agreed to pay $150,000 for story from 1998 Playmate of the Year, but hasn’t published her account

NY Post on trumps buddy Pecker

"Industry insiders tell us Trump is “very close” with David Pecker, head of The National Enquirer and CEO and chairman of American Media, which means the outlet is unlikely to dig too deeply into his personal life as he campaigns."

So Pecker paid 150k to playboy model to hush the story, not print it.

and Bill Clinton paid Jennifer Flowers $850k to keep quiet about their affair, and Bill was paid 17 Million Dollars by Laureate University a scam, school, Putin called Clinton personally to say thanks for giving a speech in Moscow.
We could do this all night,

Let's talk substance,

4 dead in Benghazi, 150 Billion Dollars to Iran who has nukes, 20 Trillion Dollars in debt. The Chinese building military bases in the S. China Sea in what was International waters with the power to impede 5 Trillion Dollars in commerce from flowing through, The President of the Phillipines telling Obama to go to "hell",N. Korea firing medium range missiles capable of carrying nuclear war heads, which they already possess. The Iranians capturing and trying American citizens, Losing the cyber war, There's pages more all under Obama/Clinton.

and you want to talk about Milania's visa,

"and you want to talk about Milania's visa"

You bring up all sorts of lies and noise about Bill, but suddenly you think its out of bounds to talk about Trump cheating on his pregnant illegal immigrant bride.

What's the matter? Wall St Journal too much of a lefty rag for you.

Okay.

Trump is dangerous. So says the former head of the CIA. And 100s of other foreign policy professionals - Republicans.

Trump has to sweep the battleground states - ia NV nc VA etc..

Look at the Latino vote in NV yesterday. Trump is toast. The murderers druggies and rapists he told us about appear to be offended.

And voting.

Fancy that.

Also - the largest turnout increase by a group nationally thus far? Women. You know - "Fat Pigs".

It's chromosomal, sweetie.

Hamp:

links for the quotes you're cutting and pasting?

They all were all searchable for me.

personal scandal v personal scandal you lose, but does it really matter?

Let's stay on message on world issues,

Such as our vulnerability of having 20 Trillion Dollars in Debt.

Such as Nuclear N. Korea and Iran

Do you have a clue about the South China Sea, Do you understand bringing world wide commerce to a halt

I would educate you on the middle east being on fire, but it would take up to much space and time, Just one hot spot,
Try to do a little research on Turkey,
The attempted coup, attempts to extradite Gulen, Kurdish PKK, Kurdish attacks on Southern Turkey, Erdogan controlling U.S. military access to Iraq and Syria. 7 different countries and factions involved in assault on Mosul. Including 5,000 U.S. boots on the ground. Which faction or country will occupy Mosul after taking over.
Isis blending in after take over. and more,
7 more hotspots during and after Mosul.

This is Obama's legacy, remember the J.V. Team reference, Obama is out campaigning for Clinton saying she will be the greatest president ever. Remember the Iran deal, or the Russia re-start?

We now know every world power had access to Secretary of State Clinton's e-mail. and our countries secrets.

We now have a choice between a proven failure as a world leader and an unknown, Thank God for checks and balances. I'll take the unknown.

Debt? Trump will explode debt far faster than Clinton.

Korea? Trump said more nukes on the Korean Peninsula. And Japan. And Saudi Arabia, etc..

You want an unknown crazy. Republican foreign policy professionals say Clinton is the far better choice.

"Former CIA chief: Trump is Russia’s useful fool"

David Frum: The Conservative Case for Voting for Clinton; "I appreciate that Donald Trump is too slovenly and incompetent to qualify as a true dictator"

Hamp:

actual links to your quotes? [part removed.]

You need a link to the Washington Post op ed page for the former Cia director from two days ago?

Couldn't search the link?

"Former CIA chief: Trump is Russia’s useful fool"

Even Newsmax aggregated it.

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Must I also post the link to Donny Trump Jr and the top Trump press guy claiming an hour ago that Trump bravely returned to the stage after he survived an assassination attempt tonight?

Except there was only a guy with a sign.

Then at Trump's next rally the intro guy blamed the media for the assassination attempt.

Seriously whacked folk in trumpland.

You can't do a search for that? Or turn on fox?

Okay.

Awww screw it... here ya go

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Find the whacked intro guy, a priest iirc with a search. It's also up on YouTube already.

Search Denver and Mohana and media.

Hamp:..if you haven't figured it out yet, if you're going to post quotes you should be posting links to substantiate them. Too many people on line just make stuff up and post it. [part removed.]

You mean like the cra-cra from resident above?

;)

The pastor blaming the media for the assassination attempt that wasn't?

YouTube video linked to in this tweet Web Link

The wa-po link above talks about the boy Trump Jr and the Trump press aides tweet about a so-called assassination attempt by a man with a sign.

The trump campaign is packaged insanity.

The transition campaign is run by a soon to be felon - bridge-hate christie, whose aides were just convicted.

Need a link to that too?

Bloomberg news Trump transition team leader christie

"Chris Christie behaves like a “master puppeteer” who knows all that goes on in his administration, concluded a juror who weighed evidence in the seven-week corruption trial and voted to convict two of the New Jersey governor’s former allies.
Juror Sheryl Bender broke her silence in an interview one day after Bridget Anne Kelly and Bill Baroni were convicted, expressing bewilderment that neither Christie nor other members of his inner circle were held accountable in the plot to create traffic jams near the George Washington Bridge as a way to exact revenge on a New Jersey mayor.
Christie wasn’t charged, but was depicted at trial as an abusive bully whose aides punished perceived enemies. The scandal helped doom his Republican run for the presidential nomination."
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Hamp, I truly appreciate your attempt to reason with the comments from Trump supporters. Linked below is an article from the Daily Beast today that explains how impossible it has become to report facts...even scientific ones...to a large segment of our electorate. They no longer believe in information once believed to be reliable. Not news to me but frightening.


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hamp:

the story hiker linked is exactly why I ask for links. People no longer seem to understand they are entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts. I'm not a Trump supporter by the way.

The testimony in the trials that resulted in convictions of two New Jersey officials was quite clear. Christie knew about the bridge closings AT THE TIME THEY OCCURRED.

There was no evidence or testimony that Christie planned or even knew about the closings IN ADVANCE as many have charged.

From the NY Times: Web Link

Betting on Christie? Brave. Admirable to tage a state d on a New Jersey politician with that much smoke around him.

**Take a stand...

NewsMax was correct: "Former CIA chief: Trump is Russia’s useful fool"
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Big problems for the donald... Donald Trump’s Connections (biggest exposure) in Ukraine:

Andrii V. Artemenko
Ukrainian politician with a peace plan for Ukraine and a file alleging that its president is corrupt.
Felix H. Sater
Russian-American businessman with longstanding ties to the Trump Organization.
Michael D. Cohen
Trump’s personal attorney, under scrutiny from F.B.I. over links with Russia.
Paul Manafort
Former Trump campaign manager with pro-Russian political ties in Ukraine now under investigation by the F.B.I.
Bayrock Group
All the dirt operates just two floors below the Trump Organization in Trump Tower, Bayrock/Sater have tentacles all over the body Trump


And now, somone is tying up loose ends...

"NEW YORK (AP) — Russian officials say its ambassador to the United Nations has died suddenly in New York City."


Ludlum and le Carre have nothing on Vlad and his buddy, Agent Orange.

"Michael D. Cohen
Trump’s personal attorney, under scrutiny from F.B.I. over links with Russia."

At least Felix, as a felon, is smart enough to shut up.

Michael Cohen has told Americans four different versions of the story.

BusinessInsider:
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"Trump's lawyer has told 4 different stories about the Russia-Ukraine 'peace plan' debacle"
Feb. 21, 2017, 11:17

Slow drips....

Death of democracy by a thousand cuts.

Slovenly incompetent and a LIAR.

David Frum may think "that Donald Trump is too slovenly and incompetent to qualify as a true dictator" but as the leader of the Republican Party, Trump is doing his best:

- fires an acting Attorney General investigating the Trump transition team

- fires the Director of the FBI who was investigating Trump and his team

- stonewalling the investigations into his campaign's ties with Russian intelligence agencies and Russia's espionage actions in American elections

- Trump takes weeks to fire his personal choice for National Security Advisor (Mike Flynn) who was acting as an unregistered foreign agent for Turkey (and others) as well as being compromised by Russia.

The list goes on and on and on and on, but if Trump was in another political party, he would be impeached for ANY ONE of the above.

The leader of the Republican Party truly embodies modern day GOP morals, namely: "Party before Country"

Who is more disgusting - Trump himself, or the political party that enables the Trump travesties?

Incompetence at governing. Excellent at making money for Trump inc.

Trump to The Economist, takes credit for inventing the phrase "prime the pump" while floating the discredited "tax cuts somehow increase tax collections" myth:

"I mean, I just…I came up with it a couple of days ago and I thought it was good."

Such a genius.


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Reporter: Another part of your overall plan, the tax reform plan. Is it OK if that tax plan increases the deficit? Ronald Reagan’s tax reform didn’t.

Trump: Well, it actually did. But, but it’s called priming the pump. You know, if you don’t do that, you’re never going to bring your taxes down. ...

Reporter: But beyond that it’s OK if the tax plan increases the deficit?

Trump: It is OK, because it won’t increase it for long. You may have two years where you’ll…you understand the expression “prime the pump”?

Reporter: Yes.

Trump: We have to prime the pump. … Have you heard that expression before, for this particular type of an event?

Reporter: Priming the pump?

Trump: Yeah, have you heard it?

Reporter: Yes.

Trump: Have you heard that expression used before? Because I haven’t heard it. I mean, I just…I came up with it a couple of days ago and I thought it was good. It’s what you have to do.

The man is a moron.

Time for some dead-ender to try and defend trump....

...by attacking Clinton.

Sad!

Trump, proven liar and admitted molester, gives commencement at Falwell U, aka liberty university.

So proud!

How's that 2 Corinthians thing working out? Maybe take a look at Mathew.

Mathew 25 40 And the king will say to them in reply, ‘Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.’

Trumpian.

Trumps Days are numbered.

"Trumos Presidency ended May 9th." - Hatch getting security briefings.

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*Trumps

I don't get their reason for passing over Speaker Ryan.

If it is Hatch then that explains chaffetz prepping for a Senate run in 2018. Romney too.

Ryan gets passed over because he's going to be indicted as a co-conspirator.

Isnt most of the GOP a co-conspirator?

"Isnt most of the GOP a co-conspirator?"


Short answer is yes. Some have known about this and fought him. Some have just talked and supported him anyway. Most just went along and were good ger...

Yeah. Godwin wins out again.

And just when you thought 45 couldn't do any worse...

"President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said that Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.

"The information Trump relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.

"The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said that Trump’s decision to do so risks cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump’s meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and National Security Agency."

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That's what happens when the POTUS refuses to attend security briefings. What an incompetent boob.

"[I]ncompetent boob"? Try "bought-and-paid-for tool of the Russians."

Seriously.

Trump spills beans to Russia - who could have possibly seen that coming?

Well, besides everyone except Trump voters.

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"US spies 'warned Israel not to share intelligence with Trump'"

13 JANUARY 2017
"US spies warned their Israeli counterparts that Russia may have “levers of pressure” over Donald Trump and told them to be careful about sharing intelligence with the White House in case it was passed on to the Kremlin, according to Israeli media reports.

The American intelligence officials reportedly told the Israelis not to share sensitive information with Mr Trump’s aides until the incoming president’s relationship with Russia had been fully investigated."

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Where's the guy from above who claimed Obama and Hillary were supposedly a disaster?

No matter how bad it was last month, Trump does something more outrageous.

No matter how bad last week, just wait until Monday.

No matter how bad yesterday, just wait until this morning.

No matter how bad this morning, just wait untiol this afternoon........

NYT: Trump asked Comey “to end any investigation, including any investigation involving General Flynn.”

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All these members of team Trump that go out and lie for him, only to have the rug pulled out from under them by Trump himself.

Incredible.

So now it's obstruction of justice?

What, exactly, will it take for Trump to be impeached, or at least be forced to resign from office?

I say wait. Keep the Trump trap baited and see what else we catch. Little harm to continue - Trump has zero political capital with which to do *too* much more damage.

The longer Trump goes on, the longer he destroys the credibility, viability and the dignity of those in the GOP who serve him. Look at Pence. Ryan. McConnell. And all those below Trump.

They are toast. Again, look at Pence - while quite a political toad previously, we now see all the Trump lies he's been caught up in, and Pence's own feeble lies to defend Trump that Trump himself has outed.

Thanks, Donald. Keep up the good work - destroying the GOP.

Latest victim, a person formerly with a sterling reputation? McMaster. While not a GOP politico, McMaster teaches all to steer clear of Trump if they seek to retain any dignity.

Note that some have realized this 'wraithing' ability of Trump (sucking the life/dignity from another's soul/reputation) and have already fled, trying to retain a scant bit of their reputation (Chaffetz, etc..)

yet more:

bought and paid for? naah a child: Web Link

@Menlo Park: Other -- Wait until ALL of the *complete* tax returns are released.

And remember how Eric Trump bragged about how the Trump empire had Russian money on tap.

Thanks for posting the David Brooks column, Menlo Voter. He's managed to articulate the Trump Reality (the reality of a 7-year-old) in a way that helped me better define my own queasy suspicions, and certainly stated the case better than I ever could have. An "infantalist," and a hollow man whose empty head endangers us all.

I am convinced that we as a country have stepped through the Looking Glass after hearing one of several interviews with members of the intelligence community who are alarmed by the recent disclosures. This particular interviewee had (I think) at least 30 years of experience in intelligence, and something he said stunned me:

He essentially said the "silver lining" to be found in Trumpty Dumpty's (OK, he didn't call him that, but we are in Wonderland now) refusal to sit for long briefings is that the intelligence officials can effectively keep highly sensitive information from him, with no consequences to them aside from being able to sleep better at night for knowing they're making the world safer by keeping this child in the dark.

So we've come to a point where keeping critical intelligence from the most powerful man in the world is considered by the adults trying to manage him the only way to keep the world safe. Does that just make your head feel as if it's going to explode?

Alice and friends -- "So we've come to a point where keeping critical intelligence from the most powerful man in the world is considered by the adults trying to manage him the only way to keep the world safe. Does that just make your head feel as if it's going to explode?"

Remember, though: "But her emails!"

And wouldn't you know it -- Robert Mueller, James Comey's predecessor at the FBI, has just been appointed as special counsel in the Russian matter.

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Better getcher popcorn...

FaceBook tells us yesterday about ads bought by Russians attacking Clinton.

Add in all the bots and trolling.

Nothing to see here.

Last month, Don Jr tild us about the meetings with Putin's crew.

Nothing to see here.

Nothing at all.

"She is an angry entitled women who only cares about herself and cannot control her temper. Trump is narcissistic. Hillary is narcissistic, irrational, exercises extremely poor judgment, is unpredictable, and poses a far greater danger to society."

That is so hilarious! That description is Trump to a Tee.

Funny how 6 months proves all the pre-election noise absurd.

Funny. But not "ha-ha"...

No. Not ha-ha funny.

I weep for our great country.

Wonder what the Menlo Park 13 percent are thinking?

Probably love the chaos.

Odd folk.

It just keeps getting worse. 2018 oughta be interesting.

Not good news today.

A warrant to tap manaforts phone calls.

Even with Trump.

Wow, has Hillary Clinton stooped to trolling the comments section of the Almanac?

Gee, Rana, you tell me -- or is that you, Donald?

Paul Manafort offered to brief Putin's oligarch buddy on how to effect our American election.

When do we use the word "traitors"?


“If he needs private briefings we can accommodate” Manafort wrote in an email dated July 7, 2016

Prison.

Hard time.

thehill.com/policy/national-security/351639-report-manafort-offered-private-briefings-to-russian-billionaire


Rana - any comment on traitors, or are you still Hillary-phobic?

From above....

" .... and the Clown but the clown gets the nod because he won’t have to defend himself against impeachment, will have better people in his administration "

Sure. Whatever you say.