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Atherton, Caltrain squabble over train horns

Original post made on Jun 22, 2016

Atherton's quiet zone, where trains aren't to blow their horns near the Fair Oaks Lane crossing except in an emergency, went into effect on June 13. But Caltrain says a loophole allows sounding the horns through the adjacent station.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Wednesday, June 22, 2016, 10:07 AM

Comments

Posted by peninsula resident
a resident of Atherton: other
on Jun 22, 2016 at 11:52 am

"Caltrain also has an "operating rule" that requires train horns to sound while passing through train stations, she said."

Excuse me. An "operating rule" does not trump FRA regulations. Your personal policy is irrelevant to federal regulations.


"Federal Railroad Administration regulations do say that if state laws require a train horn to sound at pedestrian crossings, then they may do so even in a quiet zone"

Interesting. Does anyone have a reference to the FRA Regulation in question? (Not questioning it's existence, but would like to read it myself).


"what Caltrain, and the state Public Utility Commission, calls pedestrian crossings in the Atherton station are not actually pedestrian crossings. The station does have spots in which pedestrians cross the southbound tracks in order to board a northbound train, but pedestrians are only to cross once the northbound train is stopped in the station."

Wait...so Caltrain is saying that because Caltrain has procrastinated on replacing the holdout stations (which they previously had funding for, by the way), the community must suffer the consequences of Caltrain inaction.

What a terrible look for Caltrain.


Posted by Barbara Wood
Almanac staff writer
on Jun 22, 2016 at 12:21 pm

Barbara Wood is a registered user.

Here is a link Web Link to the text of the federal law on the quiet zones. The part specifically referencing pedestrian crossings is 222.27 .


Posted by MPer
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Jun 22, 2016 at 12:53 pm

Dear Atherton

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


Posted by MPQuery
a resident of Menlo Park: Fair Oaks
on Jun 22, 2016 at 1:24 pm

One question: Will the Town of Atherton and its residents take full responsibility the next time someone gets injured or, worse yet, dies because the horn didn't sound or will you blame it on the poor conductor who was bullied into not sounding that horn because it disturbed you?


Posted by Count T
a resident of Menlo Park: Downtown
on Jun 22, 2016 at 1:56 pm

Gimme a break. If you wanted quiet you should have grabbed one of multiple opportunities to raise the tracks and you would have had decades of quiet.


Posted by Sense
a resident of Atherton: other
on Jun 22, 2016 at 2:16 pm

All the horns in the world won't prevent suicides, which are >90% of fatalities along Caltrain tracks.


Posted by peninsula resident
a resident of Menlo-Atherton High School
on Jun 22, 2016 at 2:54 pm

1) According to the FRA, rail crossings with SSMs (quad gates, for example) are safer than crossings without SSMs (Ravenswood had no SSMs 18 months ago).

2) Caltrain operators are still fully empowered to sound the horn if there is an emergency (a car or person on the track).

3) Caltrain sounded its horn on Feb 23, 2015 at the Ravenswood crossing. Jahyun Jennifer Koo and her vehicle were still struck and killed.

4) One question: Has the City of Menlo Park and its residents taken full responsibility for the death of Jahyun Jennifer Koo on Feb 23, 2015?


Posted by Apple
a resident of Atherton: other
on Jun 22, 2016 at 3:13 pm

I find it odd that the Caltrain says their operating rule requires trains to sound their horns through a station, yet they don't do this every time they pass through a station. Are they disregarding their own safety rules or just finding some excuse to ignore the law?

There's an easy way to get a definitive answer whose interpretation is correct. Atherton should report quiet zone violations to the FRA. If the FRA fines Caltrain, then Atherton is correct.

Based on Caltrain's actual behavior, which is partial compliance, my guess is that even Caltrain thinks Atherton has the correct interpretation. Caltrain just hasn't ingrained into their engineers to adhere to quiet zone rules.


Posted by Mike
a resident of another community
on Jun 23, 2016 at 1:37 pm

[Post removed; criticism is welcome, but not disrespect.]