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Editorial: High-speed rail off track

Original post made on Jul 17, 2010

With state Sen. Joe Simitian, D-Palo Alto, adding his voice to the growing criticism of the California High-Speed Rail Authority, local challenges to the huge project are gaining credibility.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 12:00 AM

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Posted by Martin Engel
a resident of Menlo Park: Park Forest
on Jul 17, 2010 at 9:54 am

That there are no comments yet on this editorial, one way or the other, is not a good sign.

The HSR buzz is loud and constant in Palo Alto. Atherton's vocal population is concerned, anxious and highly active.

In Menlo Park, not so much. What are we, asleep? In denial? It's bad enough that high-speed rail will be a fly-over project, leaving a trail of concrete right through the heart of our town.

The Editor of the Alamanac is sounding yet one more clarion wake-up call. Is nobody listening?

Does everyone understand that high-speed rail and Caltrain have an agenda; and that is to build an elevated viaduct from our northern to our southern border? It will be 100 ft. wide. It will divide our town in two. As a vast and imposing concrete structure and psychological barrier, the result will be a "right" side and a "wrong" side of the tracks.

Do the residents East and West of the rail corridor, far enough away to not be aware of the trains, not realize that they will also be adversely affected? What do you think will happen to all the property values of Menlo Park as we become just one more town with a massive railroad structure carrying hundreds of trains each day, dividing us in two? Can't you see the ripple effect of sinking market values on everyone's property, radiating outward in both directions from the rail corridor? As the downtown area becomes more commercial/industrial and strip mall, what do you suppose will happen to the rest of our real estate?

And, that, of course, is not the worst of it. This project MUST become a debt burden for California that we will all be taxed for, we and our children and their children. There is no other way that it can be funded. It will never pay for itself. So, who do you think will be paying for it?

Wake up, Menlo Park and don't let them shove this self-serving luxury train up our city.


Posted by Thelma
a resident of Atherton: other
on Jul 18, 2010 at 11:57 am

The peninsula dead ends in San Francisco with no where else to go--the absolute dumbest idea ever!
If the construction interest succeed in building this train to no where-it will just become a reason for building all the high density housing that Cargill wants to profit from, and filling in the rest of the bay so that their are people to charge train fares from.
Once the bay is paved over there will be no more revenue from bridge tolls--just a whole lot of very expensive parking lots.
Invest now in the water lot futures market already being auctioned off in some back room in Sacramento.


Posted by Alex Haselden
a resident of another community
on Jul 18, 2010 at 1:09 pm

Menlo Park is already divided by RR tracks, Martin. Once HSR is built we will have grade separated crossings and going from one side of the tracks to the other will be easier.

I doubt there will be a significant effect on property values. They could increase if the local economy is boosted by improved transport.

San Francisco is not nowhere, Thelma. Don't forget that Atherton used to be the playground of people who lived in San Francisco. Your town exists because of a railroad that went to San Francisco. This is on Atherton's official website.


Posted by Thelma
a resident of Atherton: other
on Jul 18, 2010 at 1:52 pm

Thank you Alex -I am actually aware that San Francisco is not no where and would like it to remain so.
But once you get there, there is no bridge to continue on. to anywhere else.....better to have a main artery up the east bay side with a connecter across for Hetch Hetchy water and Bart


Posted by Martin Engel
a resident of Menlo Park: Park Forest
on Jul 18, 2010 at 6:50 pm

Alex, a comment I hear very frequently is yours, or a variant thereof. "You bought your house with the rail corridor, now you have to live with it." " If the rail corridor doesn't "divide" Menlo Park now, two more tracks won't make any difference."

Comments such as these reflect a complete denial of what will be built, what it will look like and what its effects will be. The current, at grade, two track corridor, with it's fewer than 100 trains each day (including Union Pacific) is characteristic of many suburban towns across the US. As such, they are no big deal. The horn noise is what most people object to.

What's coming is a whole order of magnitude more intrusive. Elevated concrete structure, around 100 ft. wide, 40 ft. in the air, with a jungle of wires and cables above that. Well over 150 trains daily. The streets will run beneath the tracks as they do now. The rail authority will tell us that this is a great improvement. None of them, of course, live anywhere near any of this construction.

The difference between what is there now and what will be constructed is both quantitatively and qualitatively different and enormously consequential. The impact will be horrendous.

You say that you doubt that there will be significant impact on property values. An amazing statement. The impact is already significant and there has been no construction yet. Properties along the corrridor are not selling. How prices are taking a double whammy; both the decline in property values as the aftermath of the housing bubble, and the impending rail construction. It's easy to determine if you use Zillow as a tracking mechanism and see the graphic display of property value decline well beyond the rail corridor, vs. those contiguous and nearby.


Posted by R.Gordon
a resident of another community
on Jul 19, 2010 at 3:05 pm

What this entire Peninsula does not understand, is that HSR is not about YOU.....la creme de la creme in California.
It is about the masses of unemployed and the fact that soon a lot of angry people are going to be frustrated and do BAD things....sort of a mini Russia.....I suppose you read about the man that was shot who was driving a fancy Mercedes convertible?.......Just because he was rich and the shooter was pissed off at the idea and had not had work in nearly two years.
Instead of having these endless fears about an HSR, I would put money into security and high walls......truly.
HSR is now going to thud, but not because of you wanting to keep your area special....but because the U.S. is dead broke and getting broker.
All of the "let them eat cake" spoilers, are now going to have something very expensive to protect their homes and families in the coming future.
I will be in Argentina and my house near Tuscany and my last home here will probably be burned because it is so lovely and takes a lot of maintenance. I bought a speedboat in Italy for the island home and will not miss the selfishness and lack of planning that all of the people who grouse so much.
Don't even worry about the chance of anything being done for the working classes. Police departments, sadly, will begin to close all over California.....read Nostradamus, or just the paper.